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vomer
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Jan 27th, 2017 01:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a friend's heavily reliced strat in for some work and need to change the knobs. I've googled around and advice is varied. The parchment colour will probably be OK (new knobs should arrive in the post tomorrow or Monday) so I'll probably sand lightly, and my main question is dirt. This might sound like a strange question, but how do I get authentic looking dirt?

Suggestions out there include shoe polish (which apparently can come off easily); coffee grounds which are more for all-over staining; actually burying them in dirt for a few days; wood stain; and this chap has a fairly comprehensive tutorial which includes wood stain for the knobs, and gets them close to the result I need. Any other thoughts or techniques? Thanks.

Relic tutorial .pdf by 'Ibanezcollector'

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Jan 27th, 2017 01:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've held pickups over a smoldering Marlboro with convincing results.




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Jan 27th, 2017 02:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This is a trade secret, so don't tell nobody:

Scuff the tops of the knobs lightly with 0000 steel wool. Next, dab a little brown and a little black Kiwi shoe polish on a soft cloth (a little goes a long way) and rub it into the knurled area.

Use a clean cloth to wipe as much off as you can. The trick is to be subtle. Too much "dirt" and it will look like all the other zillions of Strats with fake aging.

Do this with the knobs off of the guitar. Wear painter's gloves when doing this or you'll end up with what people will mistake for leprosy on yer fingas.

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 04:49 PM, Jan 27th, 2017)

vomer
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Jan 27th, 2017 03:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Cool, thanks. I'll try the shoe polish first as I'm out of Marlboros at the moment.

vomer
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Jan 28th, 2017 10:48 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well the knobs arrived but one had no splines at all and the other two only had very minimal splines in half the depth. Forcing the knobs on would be likely to damage the pot (as one pot already is, and is being replaced.) This is a MIJ strat and it seems hard to find knobs to fit 'import' pots. I've looked at all the usual suppliers including the US ones and found some actually show the underneath of the knob with no splines, or don't specify if they are coarse or fine, or just say 'fits strats'. So I've given up on coarse spline knobs and pots and I'm going to replace the lot with CTS pots and Fender knobs. Which would have saved me a good deal of time in the first place. Ya can't beat quality!

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Jan 28th, 2017 10:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"and my main question is dirt. This might sound like a strange question, but how do I get authentic looking dirt?"

You got kids in your family or neighborhood ?

When's the last time you've watched "Leave it to Beaver" ?

Used to be kids loved to do anything associated with dirt.

A few hours in a kids grubby hands and pockets ought to do the trick.




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Jan 28th, 2017 11:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

vomer, I've run into this exact problem a hundred times.

The knob doesn't need the internal splines if the knob doesn't fit over the shaft. The hole in the knob is too small. Drill it out to one size larger. I cannot tell you what that size is because pot shaft diameters do vary. A couple thou smaller than the shaft (splines) diameter will work great.

There's a trick to drilling it: run the drill in reverse. If you run the drill in forward, you risk drilling out through the front of the knob.

In reverse, you have to press a little harder than normal, but it works great.

It uses mostly heat from friction to enlarge the hole without hogging in and drilling out the front of the knob.

Drill it to the size you need for a firm press fit. Over time the plastic relaxes and the shaft splines get a nice bite into the plastic.

vomer
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Jan 28th, 2017 03:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ah, thanks Peegoo, I didn't know that. Back to the bench!

Stratmanx, could be the perfect solution, give them to my seven year old and get her to go and make some mud pies.


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Feb 8th, 2017 08:24 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I thought putting a wet Tea bag on them gave them a dirty look?

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Feb 8th, 2017 03:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That will work for the ones made of polystyrene, but ABS won't take the color at all.

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Feb 9th, 2017 08:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A bit of lamp black might work, it's fairly perminate. Emphisis on "Little".

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Apr 21st, 2017 06:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Probably gross and too DNA attached, but I know a guy, who doesn't, who likes that relic look and will remove his knobs and rub them on his face. The oils in the knurl collect the grime from his next step which is dirtying his fingers in common dirt and spinning the knob in his fingers while clamping down on the knurl with the dirty fingers... Looks as authentic as the real thing to me. But .......ewwww.

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Apr 23rd, 2017 02:08 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

jay, I'm not a doctor--but I'll bet a paycheck that guy who likes to rub the knobs on his face is not doing it just for the visual effect on the guitar.

If you know what I'm saying.

And I think you do.

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