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north woods

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Jan 15th, 2017 12:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've got a gig coming up where I need to get as close to a classic rock a billy sound as I can. Not worth buying gear, but I do have a Melody Maker with a pair of HS Filters and a Mustang 3 amp. I'm going to start playing around with the mountain of different sounds from the Mustang in my living room, but I won't have a chance to experiment with a full band. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks 6


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Jan 15th, 2017 02:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I usually use the 65 Twin Reverb or 65 Deluxe Reverb. Light effects, reverb, delay, or both. I would start from scratch rather than look for a preset. The louder I play or the bigger the room the less I use effects.

pcalu

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Jan 15th, 2017 08:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'd use a Tweed setting (Bassman or Bandmaster) Modeling amps such as your Mustang III work fine.

You're going to saddle up to a mic when you gig and by the time the sound guy mixes your amp with the rest of the band, no one is going to know if your playing a 57 Tweed or your Mustang III.

The crowd hears how well the sound guy mixed the band and how tight the band plays. Not if you play an actual 57 Bandmaster and use a 61 Strat.

Last year I watched a high energy classic rock/top 40 band complete with a horn section where the guitarist used a Mustang III. I didn't see his amp till the last session. The stage was cluttered so as I whatched him take solos, play rythem etc I had no idea he was playing a SS amp. (35+ working muscian here) I was impressed with the Mustang III modeling.

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Jan 16th, 2017 05:19 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Any clean, loud tone with just a hint of dirt. Add a single slapback delay in the 300ms range and you're there.

And you can play rockabilly on a Strat or Tele too. You don't need a giant birdhouse of a guitar to do it.

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 07:20 AM, Jan 16th, 2017)

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north woods

It just needs more voltage
Jan 16th, 2017 05:49 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks. A single echo, kinda fast. I was trying to figure that out. Hard to hear on recordings. You know how planning tone from your house goes. Everything you do at home goes out the window on stage. This is a small room, no instrument reinforcement except the stand up bass. Thanks for the input.

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Jan 16th, 2017 07:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I tracked rockabilly solos on my band's new album using a Strat. While I had a Gretsch Silver Jet with me, the rockabilly solos I cut when we were laying down the drum and bass tracks sounded better so I kept them.

A clean tone with a little OD and slap back delay is all you need on the Mustang III.

ps - I didn't use a Mustang III in the studio.

(This message was last edited by 5Strats at 11:11 AM, Jan 16th, 2017)

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north woods

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Jan 16th, 2017 08:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I never considered using my Strat for this kind of sound. It's a ST 54 with low output CS 50s pups. Very sweet clean tone through my PR, but I figured it would be too thin sounding unless I pumped up the overdrive to SRV/Buddy Guy levels and I'm after a more traditional rock a billy tone.

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Jan 16th, 2017 09:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Johnny Meeks played a Strat in Gene Vincent's band.

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Jan 17th, 2017 07:49 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I actually can get a nice rockabilly sound using my Floyd Rose equipped Strat. If you use the trem bar in a subtle way, it sounds like a Bigsby.

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north woods

It just needs more voltage
Jan 21st, 2017 05:41 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Used the Strat. You can get a very unStrat sound using one of the tweed patches and some mid boost. A little overdrive and a single quick echo gave me the sound I was after. Amazing amp really. Odd thing was, I didn't use it much. Played most of the time on my usual clean DR patch. Odd how that can be. I like that slap back rock a billy sound fine when others use it, but I'm not happy with it coming out of my guitar. Go figure.

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Jan 21st, 2017 06:14 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One of the things about that slap back is it takes some time to get used to it.

It's like latency in older digital recording interfaces: it can throw off your timing.

Once you get used to it though, it's the bee's knees for the rockabilly vibe.

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north woods

It just needs more voltage
Jan 23rd, 2017 08:24 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Oh yeah, It's my fault, not the amp's. I do need to get used to the feel of the timing and I need to expand my chops that work with the echo sound. At least if I'm going to sub in bands like this that want rather extended guitar solos. Now that I think about it,it was just easier for me to use a clean tone and dip into my larger vocabulary of jump/swing chops. The drummer likes double shuffles, but the bass player doesn't slap a shuffle like most of these guys do. He just walked quarters. The echo sound on the Mustang was killer when I played semi muted double shuffle bass lines. The amp has plenty enough power and crispness to pull that sound off and put that clickety click sound in there even if the bass player doesn't. This amp can do just about anything. Amazing really.

(This message was last edited by 6 Cylinder Slim at 10:29 AM, Jan 23rd, 2017)

telegib

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Jan 23rd, 2017 12:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I agree with everyone here. Just find a good clean tone on you MIII. Dial in about 300ms delay and some reverb if desired. I use the Twin or Deluxe amp patches but the tweed patches are great too.

If you want a little grit in the tone (I do) just turn up the gain knob, lower the volume to desired volume and push the "Save" button twice. Voila!

The MIII has no problem getting a good rockabilly tone...or any other tone for that matter.



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Jan 24th, 2017 05:09 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'd knock that suggested 300ms in half as a starter.

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Jan 24th, 2017 04:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The '59 Bassman is the patch you should mess around with. Dial in just enough gain about to enter breakup and add a short, single slapback delay. That's all you need to do! Reverb will compromise the tone a tad bit so not advised for all tunes but of course some reverbs on oldies rockabilly tunes like "be bop a lula shes my baby" sounds nicer with some reverb.

And oh yeah! A Tele can be a mean ol' rockabilly machine also!

telegib

Canada

Feb 5th, 2017 07:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I'd knock that suggested 300ms in half as a starter."

Yeah the 300ms is more of a ballpark setting. I usually set mine a little shy of 300ms. A lot of players like to change the settings on the fly and have the delay match the tempo of the song and a single slapback.

Brian Setzer is one person that comes to mind.

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Feb 5th, 2017 08:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I used to some surprisingly good rockabilly tones from my Mustang I. Usually started with the 59 Bassman but also cloned some of my own patches by modding similar ones in Fuse.

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