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jhawkr
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Dec 28th, 2016 08:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Was looking at this last spring when Chris Greene posted asking questions. Today I looked at a ton of YouTube videos and decided the Trio+ could be a useful tool for me. I've noticed lately that my timing sucks, (playing alone all the time) and the Trio might help me with that. Also, I like the headphone feature as I could play anytime w/o aggravating the Mrs! A little pricey with the optional footswitch but still cheaper than another guitar or amp!

Anyone else using a Trio+?

DrKev
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Dec 28th, 2016 10:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One of my students has it. I was pretty impressed with it and thought it could be a good fun practice tool but he has barely used it since then.

Mick Reid
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Dec 28th, 2016 05:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've had my eye on one for a while, but was waiting until after Xmas. Well, post Xmas is here...
If you pull the trigger I would be interested in your "real-world" opinion after you've had some playing time.

And, you reckon they're exy on your side of the world?

The cheapest I can get one here is $475AU! (that *is* with the 3 button FS - $419 Trio+ only)

However, "still cheaper than another guitar or amp". Yep, that's good rationalisation! :^)


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Dec 28th, 2016 05:21 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've seen the Trio+ & FS3X footswitch & cables for as low as $300 shipped. I'd like to own one but know myself -- I'll use it for a while then it will sit in a box along with my other "had to have" pedals.
I'm just a guitar - cord - amp kind of guy...

jhawkr
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Dec 29th, 2016 03:29 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

$300 for the Trio+ and another $40 for the FS. What's the exchange rate like Mick?


"I'll use it for a while then it will sit in a box along with my other "had to have" pedals."


I will admit I have a few like that. This one seems to be pretty unique though, conjuring a bass player and a drummer out of thin air and combining it with a programmable looper. I'm thinking it could help me put a few ideas together as I am neither bass or drums proficient.

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Dec 29th, 2016 09:25 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If I was a sit and noodle ideas player (was once)
I would think this would be a lot of fun. If I ever get back to that, I think I'll see if one of these is out on CL. I just don't do this type of playing anymore. Seems like a very cool pedal.

shunka

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Dec 29th, 2016 11:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have had two. Both went back. I couldn't find beats that I wanted.
I thought that it would follow you and you could "teach" it on the first verse and chorus, but it doesn't work that way.

shunka

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Dec 29th, 2016 11:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have had two. Both went back. I couldn't find beats that I wanted.
I thought that it would follow you and you could "teach" it on the first verse and chorus, but it doesn't work that way.

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Dec 29th, 2016 03:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I thought that it would follow you and you could "teach" it on the first verse and chorus, but it doesn't work that way."

Hey shunka, could you elaborate please?


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Dec 31st, 2016 05:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That's what I thought too...dang, I was following this thread and it was sounding like something I might use.

Is there one that, "it would follow you and you could "teach" it on the first verse and chorus"?

jhawkr
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Jan 1st, 2017 04:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

All the You-Tube demos I've seen pretty much show it works as advertised. I've been sick the past few days and haven't put it through its paces yet. Obviously you couldn't teach it a specific bass or drum line but that rarely happens with a live bassman or drummer either. I'd be interested in what shunka is specifically talking about too.

I plan on using an ABY switch and running the bass/drums/loop(s) through the PA and the guitar leads through an amp. That should improve fidelity which was a knock on the older Trio model.

Mike DeTorrice
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Jan 1st, 2017 05:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That is exactly how it works : you teach it the basic chords by playing them through the unit and (with the Trio I) the "bassist" and "drummer" then automatically play back the most appropriate backing track in one of the styles you have selected.

But you can then (if you like) select a number of other versions in that same style, speed up or slow down the song (without pitch change), change the balance between drummer and bassist, or select simplified parts from those initially played.

You can also choose double or cut time and, of course, you can completely change to one of the other styles of music in the unit.

The Trio + looks to be even more versatile and I may eventually trade my device for one of these new models.

Mick Reid
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Jan 1st, 2017 06:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey jhawkr. Hope you feel better soon.

I'm hoping to demo one this week at a local shop.
Still look forward to your comments & opinion though.
The more I research it, the more mentally committed I'm becoming to just getting it.

With some recent health problems, it looks like it will be the closest thing to a band I'll get for a while.


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Jan 1st, 2017 07:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have an original Trio. It does good but does require accurate, simple input. It doesn't always provide output of what you picture in your mind but it is a very useful practice tool nevertheless.

Mick Reid
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Jan 6th, 2017 06:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well, I went and tried out the Trio+ yesterday.
Suffice it to say it didn't come home with me.

I only spent about 30 minutes with it and realised pretty quickly I would need *hours* with the thing to really get a handle on what you can & can't put into it and how it interprets that. Maybe I'm just dense...

I wasn't prepared to plunk down that kind of money to find after a couple of days of nutting it out, that it just didn't do it for me.

If the store had a generous returns policy I'd take the risk, but no "change of mind" returns were allowed. (small independent store btw)

What I did take away is pretty much what Modal Magic said:
"It does good but does require accurate, simple input. It doesn't always provide output of what you picture in your mind..."

All things considered, it is a pretty amazing little box, but I don't think it would really work for me as a writing tool as it's been promoted (suggested?). As for practise, I think playing with some good backing tracks works just fine.

Maybe I'll give it another go down the track, but my jonesing has ceased for now...
However, I *did* play a new Duo Sonic that's attracted my attention :^)


jhawkr
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Jan 7th, 2017 05:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The biggest mistake I see most making is the initial chords. So far, just making a chord at each chord change is the best way to keep from mucking up the works. It certainly dislikes busy chord progressions with a bunch of rhythm. You can add that via loop after getting bass & drum lines going.

Backing tracks are for sure the way to go to learn a song someone else wrote/recorded.

I would think a music store would be a very difficult place to try to get creative. At least it would be to me!

(This message was last edited by jhawkr at 01:39 PM, Jan 7th, 2017)

Mick Reid
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Jan 7th, 2017 03:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I would think a music store would be a very difficult place to try to get creative. At least it would be to me!"

Agreed. I hate playing in music stores to begin with (that's a whole other thread right there) and adding my lack of a solid understanding of the "interactivity" of the pedal compounded the difficulty.
I wasn't clearly comprehending how the pedal interpreted & reacted to my playing and my last post should in NO WAY be considered a review, that's for sure!

I did try simplifying my chords (eg: playing one chord at the top of each change in the progression) but that didn't necessarily yield a "desired result" either.

I hope I get an opportunity to try one in a more casual environment so I could take my time and better grasp the dos & don'ts, and make a better assessment.

Thanks

jhawkr
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Jan 7th, 2017 04:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The manual is 63 pages too! You can't hope to scratch the surface with a casual play. I've gotten as far as hooking up the unit and running it through an amp and connecting my pedalboard for effects. I've actually got a few pretty good grooves going. Next, I'm going to run the bass/drums/loop(s) through my PA system and guitar through the amp. I think that will help with the fidelity although I thought just going through my Bassbreaker 15 sounded pretty good. Next I will work on intro's outro's and multiple parts (Chorus,Bridge, etc.

Most of what I want to achieve is to get more proficient at where and how to set up leads unique to each chord and transitions between chords. (If that makes any sense). Anyway, I see a lot of potential with the Trio+ personally.

Mick Reid
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Jan 7th, 2017 04:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"The manual is 63 pages too! You can't hope to scratch the surface with a casual play."

Thanks j! I feel like less of a dolt now! :^)

"Most of what I want to achieve is to get more proficient at where and how to set up leads unique to each chord and transitions between chords. (If that makes any sense)."

That's perfect sense to me. I can see where the unit would be helpful in that. (once I got my head wrapped around using it)


Mike DeTorrice
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Jan 7th, 2017 05:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A couple of important things that can be key with a Trio are these :

(1) Once "armed", (with the flashing red LED appearing) it will begin "learning" your progression on the first chord/sound input. An unclear or equivocal start to your song could make for a less than optimal or strange rhythm loop.

(2) Even more importantly, and as pointed out earlier, the chord input for the "learn" stage of the Trio should tend towards clear and simple. It doesn't have to be just one chord strum per change, just not complex strums or patterns the first time through as you teach the unit. Later, of course, you can add that complexity with the looper part (with a Trio+).

Most importantly, one needs to step on the switch and "end" the learning part for the bass and drums at the correct point to get the desired Trio rhythm part going. I find that stepping on the switch at the proper time while _continuing_ to "play through" the part gives the proper results.

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