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FDP Forum / Fender Amps: 1985 - Current / Princeton 65 reissue stock speaker

Tony F

Long Island, NY

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Dec 24th, 2016 10:26 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Nice amp but not thrilled that Fender loaded it with the Jensen C10R (25watt) and not the C10 Q (35watt) which seems to be more appropriate. Cost difference to Fender couldn't be meaniful. I'd rather hear the 6V6's break up than a speaker cone anyday.
Wonder how an Eminence 1058 would sound in there?

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Dec 24th, 2016 11:19 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Rather that swap out the stock speaker you could run the amp into an extension cab with the speaker of your choice.

I often run mine through a Carvin 1x12 cab which sports a Celestion V-30. It provides a great change of pace. Actually most of the time I play my PRRI though both the stock speaker/cab and the extension cab. It's kind of the best of both worlds.

Tony F

Long Island, NY

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Dec 24th, 2016 12:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I thought about that, I even have a Eminence 1258 speaker up on the classified at the moment. But I would have to buy a cab. If I did that then princeton would be running at 4 ohms is that ok.
All that said I'm lazy and rather just bring the combo. I don't play large venues anyhow. I can live with the stock speaker i hear they loose the brittle tone whn they break in.
Still would be cool if I could swap my Legend 1258 for a 1058.

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Dec 24th, 2016 01:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I hear you about not wanting to haul an extension cab in addition to the Princeton.

With regards to running the Princeton at other than 8 ohms, we discussed that here not long ago. The general consensus was not to worry about it. Here's a link to that thread:

PRRI + cab

champster
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Oceanside, CA

Dec 24th, 2016 03:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Harsh mids with the C10Q. Much better tone with the C10R, to me.

Yes, I have one.

JohnS

USA

Dec 25th, 2016 08:41 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Take a look at the Jensen MOD 10-35. "Bigger" sounding than the C10R.

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Dec 25th, 2016 09:48 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I stuck a Weber 10F150 in my PRRI years ago.

After about a year, I dropped the stock Jensen back in there to see if I was simply imagining the improvement because the replacement was a new, expensive speaker.

Nope--the Weber went back in.

The 10F125 is closer to a direct replacement for the original 1960s Jensen. I spoke with Ted Weber (R.I.P) to get his thoughts, and he recommended the 150 over the 125 because it doesn't fart out on the lows when the amp is cranked.

carsten

on the rhine

Dec 25th, 2016 11:03 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi!

I think speaker-choice is a personal thing. It depends on where/how you use an amp - and what you want to hear ;-)

I did try my Princeton Reverb with various Webers, Jensens and Celestions, and I was very happy with the C10Q in a 4-piece ROCK band with bass, drums, keys and me on guitar.
Ultimately I took a step up to a bf Deluxe - and I´m even happier now ;-)

Personally, I didn´t like the Weber 10F125 or 150 - they were very, very loud and took away too much of the "sweetness" of the amp.

The mid-60´s Jensen C10NF (with the small magnet) that often came in Princetons/Princeton Reverbs is a spectacular sounding speaker - but it might not be loud/tight enough for many players. The C10Q RI "outplayed" it in terms of volume/clarity...

The 1058 is not a bad choice at all...

cheers - C.


Te 52

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Dec 26th, 2016 12:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I will quote myself from a 2009 thread:

"I am a big fan of Alnico speakers and think Fender's stock speakers often leave much to be desired, but...

"I disabled the stock speaker in my PRRI and ran the internal speaker signal to a bunch of external cabs with various 10" and 12" speakers, including a Celestion Blue. To my surprise, nothing sounded any better than the stock C10R. Fender really seems to have achieved a perfect marriage of amp and driver this time."

jm2¢

Big Joe

USA

Dec 27th, 2016 06:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I put a Celestion 10" Gold in mine and am very happy. Maintains the Fender chime with Fuller, more complex tone and much tighter bottom.

Tony F

Long Island, NY

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Dec 30th, 2016 06:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just ordered an Eminence 1058. I think that's the speaker Fender should ship with this amp or even the speaker that comes with the pro junior, just my 2 cents. The stock Jensen C10 is quite a light weigh and although nice at lower volumes it does not respond well to being pushed and certainly doesn't handle the bass well .

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Jan 2nd, 2017 07:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The problem with some of the Jensen "reissues" is the hard paper dome dustcap. Many models have it. It creates a hard, harsh, strident, almost piezo like high end, most evident with any type of distortion, be it amp or pedal.

I went through this with my first C12N reissue for my 67 blackface DR. It sounded glorious clean, but was terrible with distortion.

Joe Naylor suggested cutting off the hard dustcap and replacing it with felt.

I did so, and now it's my favorite Fender speaker.

Our guitar player uses a 1965 Ampeg Reverb Rocket. His original Jensen wore out, and he wanted a new speaker, but close to the original.

We went with a C12Q, which sounded strident as I described the C12N.

I removed the paper dustcap and glued on a felt dustcap. I use some stiffer felt I find at craft stores.

He's thrilled with it. He is not even interested in reconing his original speaker.

Tony F

Long Island, NY

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Jan 4th, 2017 03:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

quote "I disabled the stock speaker in my PRRI and ran the internal speaker signal to a bunch of external cabs with various 10" and 12" speakers, including a Celestion Blue. To my surprise, nothing sounded any better than the stock C10R. Fender really seems to have achieved a perfect marriage of amp and driver this time."

te52 at what volume are you making your judgement? I also think the stock Jensen sounds awesome at low/moderate volume but at crunch levels the little ten ounce magnet c10r jensen sounds downright offensive to me.

champster
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Jan 4th, 2017 03:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

For me if I have to play at loud levels that the C10R can't handle, the 12" baffle goes in. Where I play I can barely get past 3 so it's never an issue. Up to 7 which is quite loud, my C10R sounds fine.

Tony F

Long Island, NY

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Jan 4th, 2017 06:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's just personal prefernece I guess, anyway I installed the Eminence 1058 today and now have the tone I wanted. The amp just opened up the bass is much tighter and I have tremendous headroom. I can see the Jensen breaks up early and I guess that's the logic behind that speaker but to me and many other it's not a pleasing breakup and I think turning some people off to this awesome amp..

(This message was last edited by Tony F at 03:37 PM, Jan 5th, 2017)

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