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JackL
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Chico CA

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Dec 18th, 2016 10:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi all, I'm considering purchasing a small pa like a fender passport where the speakers and mixer fit together in one package. There are many variations on the market so I'd really appreciate hearing from anyone with real world experience.

Played thru a fender of some sort this weekend...2 mic channels and a 10 inch speaker with a tweeter of some sort...I thought it sounded great and worked well for the small venue we were in. I would want more inputs tho. Yamaha makes one (600i I think) that looks promising.

I play bass in a variety of configurations and would like to have my own pa.

Thanks!

Juice Nichols
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Dec 19th, 2016 06:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've used the 4 channel version of the Passport. It's the house PA at one of the small venues I play and I think it sounds very good for what it is. The Passport comes in many configurations. I think the biggest is an 8 channel 600 watt version. The one down check I have with the Passport is the weight. It's a little on the heavy side for my taste.

tahitijack

San Clemente, CA

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Dec 19th, 2016 08:57 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

We used the Yamaha stage pass. It's light and easy to setup. Amazing sound considering its size and price. You might also check out the JBL products.

thumbpicker
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Dec 19th, 2016 10:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've been using a Bose Compact L1 for a few years. One hand carry in,no wires to mess with,2 channels with one optimized for acoustic guitar switchable to line level input,rca input or 8th inch input as well as 1/4" guitar input,recording/monitor output phone plug. The other channel is mic only with high and low EQ.
It has no effects at all but the clarity makes up for that I think. Acoustics sound great and vocals are easy to sing because of the lack of mud in the system. No monitors needed because it can sit behind you with feedback almost non exsistent. You hear what the crowd hears. Sound is very even throughout the room. The people in the back hear about the same as the ones in front. The small subwoofer is built into the base unit so no extra pieces to carry/hookup.
In a small/to medium room it's great. Outdoors the sound travel quite well but in general for 50-100 people in a large room it's fine.
Walk in with your guitar in one hand and the Compact in the other. It handles bass well but it won't carry huge sound levels without peaking the meter a bit. A bit long winded I know but you really need to use one to see. I was just so tired of carrying amps,mixers,speakers,stands, tangled up cords and stuff. This is a great help.set up in 2 minutes.

Tony Wright
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Dec 20th, 2016 12:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Let's first figure out what you played thru that you liked...

I checked the current Fender products for "Audio" on their website. They offer two "Passport" models and a single speaker thing that looks about like a home practice amp. It had less than 20 Watts and a single 8 inch speaker...backyard karaoke size.

They also offer a single 12/horn and a single 15/horn powered speaker cabinet. Basically, the same as nearly all powered speakers on the market. Most if not all powered speakers have two input jacks that can be "attenuated" for relative volume to each other. Some have EQ settings...and they have pass thru output jacks so you can link multiple speakers as needed.

MY approach was to purchase a low cost Yamaha DBR10 (OK, I liked it so much, I ended up owning four of them along with two of the DBR12.)

My current two piece acoustic/electric ensemble (me on bass and backing vocals, band leader on his Gibson acoustic electric and lead vocals) us ONE of the DBR10 for our backyard patio gigs...as well as coffeeshop venue style house parties. For our club performances, I break out either the DBR12 or my JBL cabinets.

But I always take an analog conventional "all in one" mixer (all in one includes graphic EQ and effects processing and monitor mix when needed. Personally, I use a Mackie ProFX12 because it has enough inputs for "small venue sound". With an adapter, I can manage six channels with full effects, monitor and individual fader control.

For set up in most of our gigs, we simply set the speaker on the ground between us. We face it towards the audience. Our "stage" volume is so low, our bodies block the mic to speaker sound, but our sound level is adequate to reach the 20-45 people we typically entertain. Obviously, we could have put the speaker on a tripod and placed it beside, behind or in front of us as needed to project. And should the situation require, we could set up a second powered speaker...and I could add one or more monitors as needed.

I have owned these cabinets for about 2 years. I have NO problems with them. They are surprisingly loud.

I have sent them out with a college funk band who asked to use them a second time...that system was the Mackie ProFX12 running two DBR12 for mains on stands and two DBR10 for monitors for a 4 piece college age funk band in a college age "adult beverage" venue during homecoming week end.

At my age, I am all abut light weight gear. 23 pounds producing 325 Watts Continuous/RMS is a deal for me.

WATCH Musician's Friend or your local Guitar Center if they still stock them in store for their "end of year - avoid inventory tax" sales.

Musicians Friend link VIA FDP for Yamaha DBR10

Tony Wright
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Stillwater, OK

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Dec 20th, 2016 12:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

NOT a double post...

I wanted to give you a link to the mixer I use with the Yamaha DBR10 powered speaker above.

Before I get to that, I should mention that I wanted to protect the hard-smooth plastic cabinet on the DBR10 so after looking at prices and options, I purchased the QSC K10 transport bags, nice, simple plenty of room and pouches on the side for AC and XLR cable as needed.

And now:

I like the Mackie ProFX12. I like it a lot. How much? Well, I bought TWO ProFX12 for me one set up for rehearsal and the other for a grab and go small venue gig...and for slightly larger gigs, I bought the ProFX16. And I have the Mackie carrying bags for each of them.

Truth in advertising:

The ProFX12 has 8 channels with faders, two of those channels have stereo pair 1/4 TS input jacks, the other 6 channels have XLR. You have a fader for each of the 8 channel strips and can run each of those channels thru a monitor output. The graphic EQ is more than I require for our small events. The ProFX16 has 10 faders with XLR and 2 fader equipped channel strips with stereo pair 1/4 TS inputs.

Basically, this makes the ProFX12 an 8 channel mixer if you use one adapter on each of the two "stereo pair" channels.

And that means the ProFX16 is actually a 12 channel board when you use two XLR to 1/4 adapters. The larger ProFX16 also has two monitor mixes.

And just last week, I picked up a new Mackie ProFX12v2 to give my youngest son (age 35) for Christmas...so he will quit borrowing my stuff.

Musicians Friend link via FDP to Mackie ProFX12v2.

Tony Wright
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Stillwater, OK

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Dec 20th, 2016 12:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

By the way...I have a couple of friends now using the Bose L1 and L1 Compact. They are very pleased. Because I still do some band gigs for hire and need to be able to throw up mains and monitors for bar gigs, my JBL PRX612 for mains and my DBR10 for monitors works very well for venues where I do not require subwoofers. (I don't currently own subs...so I don't take those gigs) I have also used a combination of DBR10 and DBR12 for monitors. Two DBR10 on "star" and one each for bass and "the other instrumentalist" (guitarist or keyboard) and the DBR12 for drummer and possibly DBR12 for bass player. But I only have two mixes.

Four Auxes would be very sweet, but I am not doing enough hired sound to care any more. I bought this stuff for me...good enough for me and not you? Hire another soundco.

For those small acoustic-electric gigs, bass and guitar and vocals and a friend who sometimes plays djembe and cajon...SWEEET!

JackL
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Chico CA

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Dec 20th, 2016 06:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Wow, Tony - thanks so much for taking the time to respond so fully! Juice, tahitij and thumbp too!

One band I play in uses a Bose L1 (I assume...one column with a bass module). That thing is pretty awesome, and we've used two slaved together and filled some large spaces, but I'm more of a traditionalist and would prefer the typical one speaker per side approach.

I have a buddy with a Yamaha stage pass 400i which is very nice. I was leaning towards a 600i until reading your post. Now I'll need to reconsider things as a powered speaker approach might be more flexible for about the same amount of money. Since I already have a small mixer I could be in the game just by getting two speakers, and then expand things later.

Thanks again guys!

Tony Wright
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Stillwater, OK

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Dec 20th, 2016 11:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Again, just for what it's worth...I had a friend several years ago use multiple Bose L-1 with a large analog mixer. Most of the L-1 are set up with a couple of inputs. Some owners get the "Tone Match" which I believe is a 4 channel mixer device. It is simple to take a "brand X" passive analog mixer and plug into a Bose. So, should you opt to go that way, you can still support more than just one person singing and one person on guitar.

thumbpicker
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Dec 21st, 2016 08:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yeah, I use a Mackie Dfx6 for a mix to the Bose Compact. That way I can get a few more inputs plus effects from the mixer. Ya never know when you may have a walk in.

Juice Nichols
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Dec 21st, 2016 10:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Now I'll need to reconsider things as a powered speaker approach might be more flexible for about the same amount of money."

Jack,

That's the route I went. I use the speakers that I use for monitors in my bigger system as mains. They are Behringer B110D's. They're light, more than loud enough and sound really good. Throw them up on a stick and you're all set! I think they were $250 each.


wborys
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Robbinsville, NJ

what do you mean the bass is too loud?
Dec 21st, 2016 12:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I use an older Passport Plus PD-250 from Fender. Its speakers were supposedly designed working with Bose.

Sound is pretty good, for a large room, maybe a
folk-rock venue in a small bar, 125 W per channel.
Newer models don't seem to get the rave reviews
the oldies got, but used 250s go for $300.

It IS A HEAVY (60 lbs?), large suitcase when travelling.

I started using a mixer for more inputs and
better control (and monitor out if needed).

The idea of modular staging, according to gig
size seems pretty cool now; I bought a pair
of JBL Eon10's, and can alternate with Yammie
MSR-100's, though its not as convenient as
a 'suitcase'.






Tony Wright
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Stillwater, OK

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Dec 25th, 2016 02:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I had a DFX6 and its bigger brother, the DFX12.

I really liked the DFX6 because it fit in one of those aluminum briefcase/tool case thingies. It was a very convenient tool and if I had it today, I would be using it for a lot of the gigs Mark and I perform as a two piece. At an "acoustic-electric gig" you can set it on a music stand, add your favorite powered speakers and have a very nice and easy set up.

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Dec 25th, 2016 09:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A couple weeks back I was at my local GC and A/B'd the Bose L1 and L2 and the JBL Eon One.

I decided that for the money the JBL outperformed the L1 and was pretty close to the L2 at a fraction of the price.

acplayer

MA

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Jan 9th, 2017 06:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It depends on what your budget is.....
How about a powered (box) mixer http://yorkville.com/mixers/micromix/product/m810-2/
and a couple of speakers: http://yorkville.com/loudspeakers/elite/product/e10/ for mains plus an extra one as a monitor.

Yorkville elite speakers are excellent (I own the e10's amongst others)

Not exactly tiny but a road-worthy rig that gets surprisingly loud for its size.
It is also easy to expand the rig by adding powered subs.

A note: you WILL want to expand the rig, for an outdoor gig, etc. thus it is best to leave your options open.

With the e10's you can eventually relegate them to monitor duty and upgrade the tops...

My small sound company

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