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Peegoo
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Dec 4th, 2016 07:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Very cool!

It works great as a clear coat...I've been applying it to stained and unstained bodies for a while and it works great to impart an aged look. Too much though, and it gets orange.

Over white (or lighter colors like surf green) you have to really pay attention to your coverage because it can be blotchy if the application of the tinted clear isn't completely even.

Amber tinted clear nitro over grain-filled swamp ash

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 09:05 PM, Dec 4th, 2016)

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Dec 6th, 2016 12:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My clear coats usually almost always have an amber component. I use the stewmac amber tint in just about everything because it just adds an element of age to any color.

Plain white would just be boring.

Therealfrogman

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Dec 9th, 2016 01:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

wrnchbndr, that is some kind of instrument.

Peegoo, impressive. I am somewhat color blind, I try the best I can.. This topcoat was yellow to my eyes and the effect I am wanting is whatever I do not hate so I am not too specific.

I found that laquer blends with each coat and there is a cool learning experience for me. I think now I will use what I have as a primer for either a sonic or daphne blue. I under-estimated the need for many coats of the base color and many more coats of clear to get where I want to be... I want to build a worn player, not relic or beat up. Gonna take my time with this.

M Tracy
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Dec 9th, 2016 04:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've gone the opposite route, switched to 2K urethane to avoid the tint that laquer adds. I like the amber on most wood and most guitar colors but when you do non guitar colors I don't really care for it.
For the record I do like it on Olympic white, but not on a white white, if that makes sense.
I'm also super color blind so disregard everything I just wrote.

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Dec 11th, 2016 08:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I revived an old white Jazzmaster that someone had stripped down to the wood.
I sprayed it with Olympic White and then tinted some nitro with amber, brown and yellow for the final coat. This nitro really worked will in making the finish look 40 years old.

Therealfrogman

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Dec 23rd, 2016 03:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

M Tracy & BbendFender thanks for the input and comments. I just cannot put in the commitment to go the correct route or process for anything regarding paint or anything that exists for that matter.

My brain frazzles and always ditch the blueprints or whatever plan I had, have. Where I am now is after spraying enough amber on it I did some wet sanding right away (no curring, waiting) I ended up with half yellow half white body where the laquer just melded or welded as one and became very one of a kind looking.

Then I decided to spray the rest of the oly white can I had on it and now it looks like a primed base that has been knocked down in all of the natural wear areas.. In other words the top part of the body is thinner paint wise and the back areas are the same. I am now re-considering the color I want it and have a few more hours of rattle can experience under my belt.

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Dec 24th, 2016 09:28 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That is the danger of using tinted clear coating: if you wet sand, you risk hitting some areas harder than others, and those come out with less tint because you've thinned out the tinted coating. The results look blotchy.

If you're going to use a tinted clear, it's always best to apply several (8-10 or so) coats of untinted clear over the tinted clear. Let that cure, and then wet-sand. This way you're leveling the clear coat--not the tinted coat.

There are no shortcuts. The Project Management Triangle ("cheap, fast, good") applies--with a vengeance--to finishes. You can never have all three. Just two.

For example, if you work cheap and fast, it won't be good. The fast-and-good option for finishing requires catalyzed or UV-cured finishes. And they are costly compared to air-cured finishes.

Therealfrogman

Fibi Figallily

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Dec 27th, 2016 02:08 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks, Peegoo. After much thought I have decided to use a Shell Pink so I will ask if you have a brand in mind that is better than brand x ?

Reranch and StewMac are the options I am familiar with.. Also while I have you and anyone else interested in this project how many coats should I plan for? I have the base coat Oly White and plan on a road worn type of finish. The rattle cans are 16 oz, I thought maybe 2 cans of Shell Pink and couple cans of clear (not sure if I need clear????) I could use 3 cans of Shell Pink and forget the clear.

Whatya think?

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Dec 27th, 2016 03:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The Stooge Mac and Reranch aerosols are the best there is for rattle-can nitro.

Two coats of color and about six coats of clear should do it.

If you're careful with your coverage, one can for color over a white primer that's been sanded smooth (I like Bullseye white shellac as a sealer/primer) will work great. Two or three cans of clear will be more than enough.

If you're very good with the prep and take your time (filling/sanding/priming/sanding/priming/sanding), two cans of clear will give you plenty for wet sanding it every two or three coats or so.

M Tracy
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Dec 27th, 2016 03:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'd get 2 cans of shell pink unless you're spraying in a controlled environment. Switch cans every couple minutes while spraying, it seems to help with the spitting.

I'd recommend getting at least 3 cans of clear as well unless you think you can lay down a perfect last coat of the pink. You shouldn't sand the color so unless you can get good, drip free, coats with a rattle can, I can't, you'll want to clear coat it.

Listen to Peegoo.

Edit: Peegoo beat me to it.

(This message was last edited by M Tracy at 05:05 PM, Dec 27th, 2016)

Therealfrogman

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Jan 14th, 2017 05:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You guys are awesome.. Anyway I have 9 coats of pink on it (2 cans of Reranch) I soaked the cans in warm hot water for 20 minutes before shaking and spraying and the paint came out of the cans really nicely, really even coats with no runs.

Should I wet sand smooth before clear or can I just spray it? My understanding of laquer is that it kind of melts into the previous coat??

I am really happy with the coverage and color and im second thoughts about relicing it.

Shell Pink 62 Strat Body/Gold Hardware

(This message was last edited by Therealfrogman at 07:53 PM, Jan 14th, 2017)

M Tracy
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Jan 15th, 2017 09:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If the color looks good, go straight to the clear. You shouldn't sand the color coats unless you've got flaws to fix.

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Jan 15th, 2017 10:28 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I see a couple of dings. May as well get out the belt sander. :-p

Looks really nice.

Peegoo
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Jan 15th, 2017 10:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Spot on.

The last color coat does not get sanded. Shoot three or five coats of clear (dry time between), and then block sand lightly. Follow that with a few more iterations of this process.

The trick to getting great finish results (it's not actually a trick...more like a fact) is to take your time. If you rush the job you'll regret it.

Therealfrogman

Fibi Figallily

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Mar 31st, 2017 12:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here is the shell pink strat I built for my granddaughter

Headstock

Therealfrogman

Fibi Figallily

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Mar 31st, 2017 12:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here is a full shot

Whole thing

Peegoo
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The spotlight

looks like a prison break
Mar 31st, 2017 03:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

WOW!

You do *good* work, brother. That came out beautiful.

M Tracy
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Mar 31st, 2017 04:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That looks great, you have a lucky granddaughter. Let's hope she plays the frets off it.

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Mar 31st, 2017 05:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That is gorgeous!!

Therealfrogman

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Mar 31st, 2017 06:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thank you all! I put my heart into this one and it sounds like heaven!!! 57/62's :)

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