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JamesJr

Boston

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Nov 25th, 2016 07:54 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Looking for recommendations for a sub.

We are a five-piece: violin, guitar, bass drums and vocals. 4 vocals. Eclectic repertoire: country to Motown to Classic rock.

Current set up is
Peavey XR1212 powered mixer
Yamaha 15" mains passive
2 powered B210 as monitors

We do between 40-70 gigs a year (past 10 years) Most gigs are small clubs. We send everything but guitar through the PA: vocals, fiddle, bass, kick. Mostly for the mix, not volume, if that makes sense.

Want to add a sub for our outside/bigger venue gigs; about a third of our work. I want a powered sub to cut down gear/set up time. The mixer has a "Main/Sub" mode that sends

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Nov 25th, 2016 04:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Even in a small room, you're going to need a sub (preferably 18" speaker) that draws at least 800 watts in order for it to deliver the low end you need.

Anything less than that will probably not add much to the sound of your 15" mains.

Something like this. Outdoor subs need to be more powerful.

Juice Nichols
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Nov 26th, 2016 09:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Highly recommend the Turbosound sub. I bought one of these last year and it's great. Price is good too.

Turbosound

Tony Wright

Stillwater, OK

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Nov 27th, 2016 02:56 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I used to own a Peavey XR2012 which is an early 2000-04 version of the XR1212. I really liked the XR2012 and used it similar to how you are planning to use your XR1212.

I suspect you know all this, but in the event you did not, I would feel bad that I did not share the following...and to the uninformed who might read this and NOT know the issues involved, approaches this differently....well, you get my point.

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The XR1212 provides two power amps, each rated for 600 Watts at 4 Ohms. Your Yamaha passive 15s are 8 Ohm cabinets. If you run powered B210 monitors, then you are likely putting one Yamaha on each side of the two internal power amps in the XR1212, correct? That gives you "around 300 Watts at 8 Ohms per cabinet" which should be adequate for as many at 350-400 people in an enclosed area about 75ft by 100ft at adequate volume levels.

You want to be sure to read your XR1212 manual closely to understand the section dealing with POWER AMP MODE SWITCH numbered section "23" and starts on page "14". The photo on the TOP of page "15" addresses the correct way to connect ONE Yamaha 15 to the Left amp and ONE Yamaha 15 to the Right amp AND one 1/4 inch male plug into the 1/4 inch female jack labeled "MONO/SUB".

The MONO/SUB jack is an Unpowered output (Section 37 page 21) and since you indicated that you will be sending that signal to a powered subwoofer, be aware that you could allow external noise or "hum" into the system at this point simply by using 1/4 inch Guitar Patch Cable. This is a TRS OUTPUT that requires a 1/4 inch male TRS (tip/ring/sleeve) plug on one end and an appropriate XLR male mic connector on the other end to help eliminate the risk of interference from things like blenders, fan motors, ice makers, neon lights.

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Before I suggest a subwoofer...let me make another suggestion. Since you perform without any stage amp for keys and bass and violin, I would respectfully suggest at least one more monitor wedge for the "rhythm section". Your mixer has two unpowered monitor mixes. Since you probably already use them "split" with different signals in each monitor mix, my suggestion is to take the one most appropriate to the bass guitar and drummer and position one wedge for them to share. If funds permitted, I would suggest that you add a fourth monitor wedge on the other monitor mix. I have a friend who swears by his B210. Small footprint on stage, small impact on wallet. And now my suggestion for powered subwoofer is...

YOU pick. That Yamaha and Turbosound are both good suggestions. I personally like JBL, but could not encourage you on the EON618, and the recently discontinued PRX718XLF is becoming hard to find new. So, my response is pick the one YOU like.

I tend to agree with the 18 inch woofer. I think you need around two single 18 inch powered subwoofers, 600 Watts RMS minimum to 1000 Watts RMS. You can always turn the subwoofer levels down so they do not over ride the mains.

I think that IF you decided that for a LARGE series of events, you needed to add a second pair of matching Yamaha 15s, you would quickly "out run" a JBL EON618s ability to produce enough low end. But I think the Turbosound, the Yamaha active sub and the PRX718XKF could hang for a long time.

We use four of the PRX718XLF at work to hang with four of the PRX725 main speakers. That is 6000 Watts for front of house...and we typically handle audiences of 1200 to as many as 5000 with that rig. Granted, we typically play the same venues when we load out...and we know where all the electric and other physical plant feeds are located...(OUTDOOR STAGE). We can have sound and lighting in place in 60-70 minutes.

Add 30 minutes set up time when temperatures are above 105. House rule is to stop every 15 minutes for a water break, full bottle. NO WORK until it is gone. (Hey, I am short, fat and 67yrs old, I obey that rule.)


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Nov 28th, 2016 02:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have to throw QSC into the mix. Great stuff and fairly priced for what you get in performance.

You will find you use a sub in all but the smallest venues.

Tony Wright

Stillwater, OK

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Nov 30th, 2016 06:44 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

QSC KW series is really sweet. I have not had a chance to hear anyone use the K-Sub, but people seem to like it.

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Panama City, FL

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Nov 30th, 2016 02:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

QSC is great gear. The cost is what led me elsewhere.

acplayer

MA

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Mar 27th, 2017 09:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Adding a powered sub (I prefer unpowered, myself) such as: http://yorkville.com/subwoofers/elite/product/ls720p/
or
http://yorkville.com/subwoofers/elite/product/ls801p/
would greatly improve your PA. Your bass and kick sound will then add "more depth' to your band's sound.

If you have been ok with your PA without a sub up until this point, adding one (for indoor small club gigs) plus a pair of subs for outdoor events will vastly improve your band's sound.

How will you be transporting your sub(s)? Although not terribly heavy they are "boxy" and thus may not fit in your hatchback.

my small sound company

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Mar 28th, 2017 01:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One company I work for has eight QSC KW subs.
They are light, couple well, and have lots of snot.

What I don't like about them is the internal crossover.
Stick a full range signal into them, turn off the mid/hi boxes and listen......what's with all that 160 area stuff?
I think the xover corner frequency is too high, or the slope is perhaps just second order.
If your mixer has a xover in front of the sub out, the QSC boxes should work fine. Things may be a bit smeared around the xover point.

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Apr 14th, 2017 03:10 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

We've had an 800w powered sub by DB Technologies for about 10 years and it's always been very effective and reliable.

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