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uncle stack-knob
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Sep 23rd, 2016 06:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Unusual profile to the backplates on these tuners.
Screws are nearly hanging over the edge of them,but the plates don't look ground down or anything,for whatever reason.
Now,it could just be down to C.B.S. weirdness or something,but has anybody encountered this feature before?
(no affill)
Stack-Knob.

oddball tuners.

Bubbalou
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THE LOW END OF UPPER TEJAS
Sep 23rd, 2016 09:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I looked up several 1969 Jazz Basses. The screws were not hanging on the edge and On the tuners each butted against the next one. After closer examination of the two I have to wonder if these were machined down around the edges to make them look better and not run right up to the edge of the headstock. Who knows maybe someone requested Fender do this or had a local machine shop do it. And I suppose the other options might be they did not come with the bass or I guess a rarity. Anyone have any other ideas?

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(This message was last edited by Bubbalou at 11:47 AM, Sep 23rd, 2016)

uncle stack-knob
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Sep 23rd, 2016 05:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well,it's the first time I have seen that profiling on a tuner on a Fender bass.
Odd one.........

Stack-Knob.

(This message was last edited by uncle stack-knob at 07:53 PM, Sep 23rd, 2016)

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Sep 23rd, 2016 05:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Very odd indeed. Interesting website, never heard of the guy before.

dg27

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Sep 23rd, 2016 06:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Forgive dragging this off topic, but was Firemist Gold a common color? I've never seen it before and like it...

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Sep 23rd, 2016 06:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Noticed it has a .022mfd cap that is standard on a guitar but not a bass. Did Fender put them in the basses of that period?

edmonstg

Newberg, Oregon

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Sep 23rd, 2016 07:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I know I'm a disciple of the "never say never" motto when it comes to Fender appointments, but I think USK is on to something with these tuners and my vote would be they are not original to the bass.

I've looked at a bunch of samples of 69 headstock tuners for Fender Jazz basses today and the factory-issued tuners I see differ from the ones on this gold bass in a number of subtle but important ways, some of which have already been mentioned.

1. Originals have smaller attachment screws.
2. Originals have "loops," which serve as bookend housings for the tuner shafts, mounted away from the edges of the tuner plates, both top and bottom. The gold bass loops, top and bottom, are right up against the edge of the plates.
3. Originals feature plates which, when mounted to the headstock, have very small spacing between them. The gold bass plates are mounted with wider spaces between them than is normal.
5. The Fender logo stamped on each plate appears smaller on original tuners. The logo on the gold bass plates seems larger than is normal.

Much of what I have shared in this list first came to my attention in an off-line discussion of the gold bass I had with USK earlier today. It was Uncle who first discovered the discrepancies.

I would love to lift a couple of these gold bass tuners and see what's underneath.

George

(This message was last edited by edmonstg at 09:40 PM, Sep 23rd, 2016)

edmonstg

Newberg, Oregon

Fender...never say never.
Sep 23rd, 2016 07:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

dg27

You've raised an interesting question about Firemist Gold. It is considered one of the "collectible" colors Fender produced in the later 1960s. It is uncommon.

George

dg27

Long Island City, NY

Sep 23rd, 2016 08:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

George said:

>>It is considered one of the "collectible" colors Fender produced in the later 1960s

Late 60s makes sense: it looks exactly like the color of a '69 Mercury Cougar I was in love with...

I did a quick check of that color on eBay and there's only a handful of Fender guitars (and I believe the same bass at the link above): all very old and very pricey.
Thanks.


iammr2

Lower Slobovia

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Sep 23rd, 2016 10:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Looks like the base plates have had the edges ground away...maybe to reduce headstock weight?

uncle stack-knob
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Sep 24th, 2016 03:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The .022 mfd. capacitor you see there became standard fare on the Jazz Bass from around mid 1966.

Stack- Knob.

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Sep 24th, 2016 07:35 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks Stack. That is interesting. It makes me want to try that value cap on a Jazz to see if I would like the amount of rolloff that would insue. I suspect it would not be enough. I love these posts and gain significant knowledge from all you guys!

(This message was last edited by Bubbalou at 09:51 AM, Sep 24th, 2016)

edmonstg

Newberg, Oregon

Fender...never say never.
Sep 24th, 2016 11:57 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Bub:

You might want to give it a try. Fender usually made changes like that for a reason. Especially a change that stayed around.

However, if you like what you have...(insert here the old saying about if it ain't broke....)

George

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Sep 24th, 2016 03:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks George, you told me once to try TI Jazz flats on my Jazz Bass which started a love with this combo that remains today. It is easy enough to try and put back if I do not like it. I believe I will 😉

6G6

Texas

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Sep 26th, 2016 06:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you want to get fancy with tone caps,
try a tone pot with a pull switch.
A .022 with a second one switched on, in parrallel would be .044.
Close enough to .047 that you'd think it was original.

As to the tuners, maybe Fedner or someone else decided to remove some mount plate to save weight.
It wouldn't be much, but maybe you could tell.
Dunno.

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