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edmonstg

Newberg, Oregon

Fender...never say never.
Sep 15th, 2016 06:18 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The seller says most everything on this 1959 Precision bass "SEEMS original."

So let's put it to the test.

Ladies and gentlemen, start your engines.

George

1959?

super400
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Snohomish WA USA

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Sep 15th, 2016 10:17 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

First look tells me that the red sure has survived well in spite of its age.

The thru body, pickguard, thumb rest are explained, but these would all be items proving its originality. Not being able to see the pickups doesn't do it any favors either and the covers really look after market. Without any pics of the neck pocket, or electronics really raises a host of red flags.



hushnel
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Sep 15th, 2016 11:31 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's a bit off, I noticed all the stuff mentioned before I read the description, took a close look at the nut, the strap button on the back of the head stock made me thing It might have been used by a lefty. The finish doesn't look right, too much color and too shiny.

I meet a left handed bass player once that had learned on a right handed bass, not reversing the strings. When I met him he had a left handed bass but strung it G,D,A,E. I was invited to sit in and just flipped the bass over to play it like a regular right handed bass.


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NoVa

The Vandellas took the Handels
Sep 15th, 2016 11:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Going out on a limb, could be wrong, the D-G button seems too far away from the nut, the spaghetti logo wouldn't have had patent numbers in '59?

~G

edmonstg

Newberg, Oregon

Fender...never say never.
Sep 15th, 2016 03:24 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Great responses everyone...eagle eyes all around.

I could add a bunch of stuff but I'm going to wait and see who else what's to chime in on this.

George

super400
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Snohomish WA USA

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Sep 15th, 2016 03:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ya know, that upper strap button looks to be in the wrong position. I may be wrong but I think that the usual location would have it pointing downward quite a bit more rather than sticking straight out.



iammr2

Lower Slobovia

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Sep 15th, 2016 06:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hootenanny button not likely in '59. Not impossible, but not likely. String ferrules, particularly the G, are not evenly spaced. Too many(13 instead of 10) pickguard screws.

(This message was last edited by iammr2 at 08:42 PM, Sep 15th, 2016)

edmonstg

Newberg, Oregon

Fender...never say never.
Sep 16th, 2016 08:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well, I started this thread so I guess I'll go ahead now and put in my two cents worth of opinion about this bass.

The 1959 P-bass has always been one of my favorite years for the model because it is a major transition year in the history of Fender's low end, with three or four different versions offered in that 12-month period, quite possibly the most Leo did in one year.

Here's the timeline, dates approx.:

January-April/May: Gold guard basses with wide chunky rounded maple board necks, some raised A-poles, others flat across. Tweed cases are often seen with these basses. The neck profile here is now used in Fender's Pure Vintage Series 1958 P-bass reissues.

May-Sept: Gold anodized guards and rosewood boards. The first of the slab boards. Flat across poles. Tweed cases phased out in favor of light brown tolex with center latch in the middle of the handle. These cases are often referred to "knucklebuster" cases for the obvious reason. Neck butts here almost never show neck dates. This version of the 1959 has taken on minor legendary status over the years. Headstocks do not have strap buttons.

Sept./Oct. to year's end: Slab boards with tort guards. No dates on neck butts. Generally the headstocks do not have strap buttons but at the end of the year some headstocks begin to show this feature. There is no clear picture of when tort guards were introduced, but by October tort is generally the standard feature. A very rare few tort guards in the beginning have less than 13 screws. Tolex cases now are moving away from the knuckilebuster feature due to player criticism. The three-color sunbursts later in the year feature "ghost reds," giving them a delicious two-tone look.

The bass featured on this thread:

What caught my attention was the seller's statement that the bass "seems original."

Nothing could be further from the truth, so I'm not sure why the seller would claim such a thing. Maybe there's a lack of education mixed in here somewhere.

In addition to the replacement pickguard and re-positioning of the thumbrest:

1. 1959 was not a year for string-through.
2. The finish on the bass is poly, not nitro. 59s were nitro. The finish looks refin.
3. The neck is not a slab board. Later 59s were slabs without headstock buttons until very late. The neck on this bass has a veneer appearance, especially above the nut.
4. The shape of the headstock looks odd. It has a made in Korea look about it. There's nothing wrong with Korea but Korea doesn't apply in 1959.
5. As already mentioned, the decals in 59 did not have pat. numbers.
6. As mentioned, the strap button on the upper horn looks oddly placed.
7. I question if the length of the cut of the contour on the backside of the body is long enough. 59 contour cuts stretch quite a ways.

I'm sure there are other things I'm overlooking.

I leave open the possibility some of this bass may be as old as the seller indicates, although greatly modified. The neck appears to be a replacement and of a later year. The headstock appears to have been cut on and reshaped. But it is miles away from "seems original."

In cases where you have something for sale and it's six thousand bucks and you're not quite sure of what you have ("seems original"), take plenty of pictures and led the buyers decide.

George


(This message was last edited by edmonstg at 02:21 PM, Sep 17th, 2016)

Danny Nader

usa

You should have been there!
Sep 16th, 2016 09:01 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

George,

I was going to say everything, but your explanation will do just as well! ;o)

Danny

ilan

127.0.0.1

Sep 16th, 2016 09:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Looks like a '75-ish Poly burst body with an aftermarket neck.

6G6

Texas

Fender power to the people!
Sep 16th, 2016 10:28 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

On the plus side, the dots do look like they could be clay and the seller did explain the thumb rest, PG and string thru mods.

On the other hand I would expect the finish to be worn off of the back of the neck, the red would be faded away, the finish looks just too solid and shiny and then there is that hootenanny button.

It may be a great bass, but I would need quite a bit of convincing to spend that much.

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E NC

Hoarder of instruments
Sep 16th, 2016 11:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Wrong place for the tug bar.

JackL
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Chico CA

If you rest, you rust.
Sep 16th, 2016 11:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

eBay sent me a link this morning of this bass. I looked at it via this thread a couple days ago and all I can say is it just doesn't look right. After all the comments my "doesn't look right" concerns are validated!

Yeah, for 6k you gotta do better than 3 pics!

edmonstg

Newberg, Oregon

Fender...never say never.
Sep 16th, 2016 01:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Jack:

Interesting post.

Do you help monitor eBay to assist with looking for fraud?

George

edmonstg

Newberg, Oregon

Fender...never say never.
Sep 16th, 2016 01:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The dot markers on the neck do look like worn clay.

However...

My whole contention is that the bass in question is NOT an original example of a 59.

I'm not sure what it is other than a parts bass.

George

dg27

Long Island City, NY

Sep 17th, 2016 07:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'll never understand people who try to misrepresent what they've got. Doesn't anyone believe in bad karma anymore?

JackL
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Chico CA

If you rest, you rust.
Sep 17th, 2016 09:48 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi George,

I'm not affiliated with eBay in any way, they just send me the occasional email listing with something they figure I'd be interested in seeing. This based on previous searches I've done.

I thought this was amusing as the notification hit my inbox about 4 days after you had posted the original link. The FDP is obvisously ahead of the curve!

Jack

edmonstg

Newberg, Oregon

Fender...never say never.
Sep 17th, 2016 12:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks JackL.

Love your Kay URB by-the-way.

I see misrepresenting going on all the time, especially on eBay. I never know if it's out-and-out fraud or just sellers claiming to know more than they actually do. I usually give the seller the benefit of the doubt, however, I have seen ads for basses in the last several years that were real head scratchers.

George

(This message was last edited by edmonstg at 02:11 PM, Sep 17th, 2016)

edmonstg

Newberg, Oregon

Fender...never say never.
Sep 18th, 2016 06:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Have been looking at pictures of bodies in my collection of 59 Precisions.

I'm convinced of it.

The cut of the backside contour on the body of this eBay bass was done in the mid-60s or later.

George

6G6

Texas

Fender power to the people!
Sep 18th, 2016 08:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Even if I had that kinda money and didn't have any doubts, I'd want way more pics.

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