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NakedLunch

USA

Aug 24th, 2016 04:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The neck plate serial number 'font' looks different than all the other 50's Fenders I've seen. The SN# on this guitar looks much thicker.

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NJArmpit of Universe

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Aug 25th, 2016 08:01 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks, Goopee

BrentD
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United States

Aug 25th, 2016 11:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think this one looks questionable. The saddles (although it's not a clear photo) look wrong, and make the string spacing look narrow. On top of that, did gold bridges in the 50s have black screws and springs?

NakedLunch I think is right about the font on the neck plate and the neck has a distinct orange RI look to it in some of the photos.

The body looks weird too. The way the paint is sinking into the grain is weird. The routing on the back where the claw is mounted is curved and the paint goes over it (meaning it was finished after the routing), which doesn't look accurate to me. And there's something about the waist, not sure how to describe it.

This makes me sound like a cynical curmudgeon, I'm sure. But without seeing it in person I surely wouldn't order it at anything over a partsocaster price.

NakedLunch

USA

Aug 25th, 2016 02:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

@BrentD - I total agree. The electronics also do not look authentic; the pots, 5-way switch, caps, and even the wiring. Then you look at the pick guard and pick-up covers. They are pure white. Unless the guitar was stored in a vacuum, there is no way the white wouldn't have yellowed at least a little bit.

BrentD
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United States

Aug 25th, 2016 06:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Currently showing $25 but I think bidding is halted. They're showing the following message:

"We apologize sincerely for the inconvenience. Due to various concerns expressed about this item we have decided to end its auction prematurely. We will be evaluating it in more depth to verify the authenticity of the pieces included in the auction. If we are able to determine more reliable information for the item, then we will relist it at our earliest opportunity. We will notify each bidder of the new auction number once the new listing has been created via the Shopgoodwill Customer Service messaging system. Please accept our apologies for any inconveniences that this may have caused you. We thank you for your understanding in this matter."

guitarsamm

Oklahoma

Day late and a dollar short
Aug 25th, 2016 07:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ohh! The plot thickens.

Mick Reid
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Australia

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Aug 25th, 2016 07:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That was a lawsuit waiting to happen!

BrentD
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United States

Aug 25th, 2016 09:21 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I don't think they advertised it as a '57 or '58 or whatever, did they? It was just assumed by buyers. If that's the case then they are showing a lot of integrity not letting caveat emptor take over.

Edit: Year.

(This message was last edited by BrentD at 11:22 PM, Aug 25th, 2016)

RufusTeleStrat

San Diego

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Aug 25th, 2016 11:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I don't agree about the yellow. Here is a photo of strat #2 that hangs in the NAMM museum of making music in Oceanside. Granted this is a cell phone photo, but both the pickguard and pu covers seem quite white.

Strat #2 1954 strat

Riff Twang

Tasmania Australia

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Aug 26th, 2016 02:19 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think that the strat #2 would have pickup covers, knobs and pickguard made from a phenolic resin, similar to bakelite, whereas by 1957 they would be a formula of abs plastic.

That could make all the difference.

Personally I'd be a little surprised if strat #2's are original, as the pieces were notorious for chipping and crumbling away (especially the pickup covers), and although hard to see in the pic, the switch tip does not appear to be the football shape of the originals either.

As for the goodwill strat, your guess is as good as mine, but I had serious doubts of authenticity too.



reverendrob
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Aug 26th, 2016 05:36 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If they honestly believed it was vintage, can't figure out why they didn't appraise and verify the thing previously....

amphead4
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Cincinnati, USA

Aug 26th, 2016 06:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you zoom in on the back of the vol pot, you can see that grounds has been resoldered multiple times, implying the pickups have been replaced, or the 3-way has been replaced with a 5-way switch.

ejm

usa

Aug 26th, 2016 08:03 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The end of the neck is marked "JF 57".

Who is JF?
Have any collectors ever noted his name before, similar to TG or AY?


Pinetree
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NW Pennsylvania

Aug 26th, 2016 10:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ain't like none of you boys were gonna bid on it anyway...




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Aug 26th, 2016 11:09 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's important to remember that nowhere in the auction did it state anything like "100% original vintage Stratocaster..."

It's a Fender Strat alright(correct body and neck), with what looks like some 'apprenticework' done on the electronics.

jay1vinton
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Aug 26th, 2016 05:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Even so, a 13,000 buck strat isn't just going to plop into the Goodwill's lap regardless of all the garage sale, possible donations stories that abound.

I think they realized the liability they were possibly straddled with and chose wisely to end it.



Pinetree
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NW Pennsylvania

Aug 26th, 2016 08:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I disagree.

There's a little music store near here... out of the way and nothing fancy, but minutes from the Interstate, and he ends up with all kinds of cool stuff.

Like vintage Strats.

"My sister died... never learned how to play..."


Joe Bonamassa shops there.





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Aug 27th, 2016 07:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'll betcha they have Joe on speed dial. Most big-name buyers are on a first-call list with 2nd-hand shops.

guitarsamm

Oklahoma

Day late and a dollar short
Aug 27th, 2016 08:57 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yeah, I've seen some pretty pricey things selling on goodwill. Some vintage horns, violins..etc. Thousands of dollars.

Right now there is some jewelry going for 3+ grand.

old time fender player

United States

Sep 22nd, 2016 11:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

the neck signature looks accurate to me. i have seen many with the same initials.

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