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FDP Forum / Fender Amps: Vintage (before 1985) / Early Blackface 2 different grillcloth used??

strat2go

Canada

Aug 3rd, 2016 02:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi Guys,

I have a couple of early Blackface piggyback amps and am wondering about the grillcloth. On the early pre CBS ones the color is brown and there is a solver thread running horizontal in the pattern. On the later ones 66-67 there is the horizontal silver thread and also a vertical one throughout. I can't find and information on them. Did they change in midstream? Anyone know anything about it??

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American Patriot

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Aug 3rd, 2016 03:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've seen lots of Fender amps but not sure I've seen this type grill cloth. There are several different types of grill cloth that Fender used. Do you have the book "The Fender Amp Book". It will show you everything they used.

strat2go

Canada

Aug 3rd, 2016 03:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

No I don't have the book. Maybe Santa may bring it. LOL.. My 2 64's anf 65 have the horizontal and the 67 is almost identical except for the extra silver thread running verticle..

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Aug 3rd, 2016 07:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Something unusual going on here. Today is Aug 3, but I don't remember posting this earlier today. Also, I commented on seeing different Fender grill cloth, but there are no pictures here. What's going on?

strat2go

Canada

Aug 4th, 2016 01:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I found this from "THE AMP BOOK" Black Tole Amps (in 1963) had grey colored cloth with clear black threads. The clear threads gave an impression of silver. Some time later, silver-colored threads replaced the clear. In 1969 the first grey and silver cloth...

Anyone have any further information on this??
It would seem an easy way of determining the originality of an early a Blackface. I'm surprised I haven't seen any talk about it anywhere.



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Aug 4th, 2016 02:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I found this from "THE AMP BOOK" Black Tole Amps (in 1963) had grey colored cloth with clear black threads. The clear threads gave an impression of silver"

never seen anything but this on BF amps.

there's the short lived mid '67 cloth w/the larger squares seen on the early drip edge amps that they used for maybe 6 months or so before going to another cloth on the first non drip silverface amps w/the same sized squares as the BF amps.



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Aug 4th, 2016 03:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The grey was very short lived. Then came the others.

strat2go

Canada

Aug 4th, 2016 03:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm talking blackface. There are 2 Grill cloths.

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Aug 6th, 2016 11:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Bbendfender,

it makes perfect sense.

strat2go

Canada

Aug 11th, 2016 01:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I guess nobody has ever noticed a difference in grill cloth. I have a 67 in better shape than the 64 and wanted to switch grills but am worried about the authenticity of the grill cloth. It seems the horizontal clear strip is used on the first Blackfaces. The vertical and horizontal silverthread seem to be later.

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Aug 15th, 2016 03:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just replaced cloth on my 65 Princeton Reverb and a 65 Vibroverb.

I "aged" the cloth by mixing really strong (past the point you could drink), putting it in a small spray bottle, and misting it on the cloth. I did my amp with the grill on. (it's been on and looking too new for the amp for a couple years.) I did the vibroverb cloth before putting it on.

Both turned out perfect. I had my blackface 67 DR to compare them to.

The coffee smell is better than old cigarette smell, and goes away after a few days.

I have not seen a variation in BF cloth that I can recall. Lots of different looks due to aging. SF amps have not only more silver but a blue thread.

The Vibroverb came to me for repair. It reeked of cigarettes. The owner's 67 Tele was reliced for real...in terrible shape. That thick clear poly had worn off in many places. What was left was browned from smoke, cracked and over all, it was the most used, stinky, but well playing Tele I've seen.

I hated working on it. It stunk so bad. I wiped it down with vinegar and left it outside for days and it still reeked.

No wonder the owner is dying of cancer.

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