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Viera
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Aug 1st, 2016 07:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

^ Oh yeah, without a doubt. $ not an issue, I would keep a PRRI over a BJ. My post assumed relying on the amp for crunch/OD.

That said, if push came to shove and either my PRRI or Carvin Vintage 16 had to go, it would be a VERY hard choice.

pcalu

usa metro detroit

Aug 2nd, 2016 01:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a seriously modded Blues JR. BillM tone stack up grade, better grade of filter caps, better OT transformer, Cannabis Rex speaker and a better reveb tank. I would love to compare it to a Princeton. The amp sounds great!

Only use it for Coffee house gigs. I kinda use it as a pedal platform though (don't push it that much with the master volume..)

(This message was last edited by pcalu at 03:17 AM, Aug 2nd, 2016)

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Aug 2nd, 2016 07:38 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I tried all the mods for the blues jr. It still just sounded like a blues jr, nothing special. The PRRI on the other hand is great right out of the box.

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Aug 2nd, 2016 08:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The Blues Jr. NOS in tweed with Jenson 12" speaker is a fine amp with no mods needed IMHO.

I rely on an OD pedal for any dirt and run the BJ clean. It is a very loud 15 watts.

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Aug 2nd, 2016 09:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The surprising thing to me about the prri is with the 10
Inch speaker it sounds huge for its size . The bjr has always sounded boxy to my ears.

pcalu

usa metro detroit

Aug 2nd, 2016 10:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That's how I felt about the Princeton... Nothing special.. IMO (just me) Too over priced for a small 15 watt coffee house amp. I'm building a 5e3 head and a reverb tank for the price of a new Princeton.

Big difference in tone between a Blues JR with EL84's and a Princeton with 6V6s too (apples and oranges)

I don't dislike EL84's but they are not my first choice in power tubes either. Yet many people Love El84s. So if you don't like Blues JR one probably doesn't like El84s

As for it sounding Boxy?? BJr sounds no more boxy than a Princeton.. both those single speaker cabs can (depending on the EQ mix) sound boxy at a bedroom/basement practice level.

Turn both amps up to a working stage level and both come to life.

(This message was last edited by pcalu at 12:18 PM, Aug 2nd, 2016)

champster
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Aug 2nd, 2016 02:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"So if you don't like Blues JR one probably doesn't like El84s"

That's it for me. I bought and sold way too many EL84 amps. The ones that did sound the best to me were the Blackhearts. 6V6s are my tube of choice.

pcalu

usa metro detroit

Aug 2nd, 2016 02:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Took me a long time to figure out why a certain amp I liked better than another.. Turned out to be the base tone specific power tubes make.

I like all amps I really do.. I can see why people get into a particular amp. All amps have their own vibe.

Anything with 6V6s in them IMO sound awesome. They way a 6v6 sounds pushed... Ouu La la !

Fender's early Tweeds all had 6V6's in them... The Champ is another great 6V6 amp.. Fender's pawn shop Excelsior.... people have been astonished/raving about the tones that bargain amp makes.. it's a 6V6 amp biased hot!


budg
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Aug 2nd, 2016 03:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yeah there's no question I am not a fan of el84s. I have had 3 blues jrs and sold 2 and will sell the one I have now. I had a peavey classic 30 that I didn't have long. Same for the jet city 20 watt. I now have a deluxe reverb and 68 Princeton.
I love 6l6s , but don't really have a place to use one. It took me a long time to figure out my preferences. I like the size of the blues Jr. . It's the perfect size for a grab n go amp. Just not the tone I am looking for.

Big Joe

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Aug 2nd, 2016 05:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a Blues Junior NOS heavy modded by Billm himself since he live less than two hours from me. Great guy! My BJ also had the Octal mod done and is running 6V6. I also have a PRRI with a T020 O/T upgrade as well as a Celestion Gold speaker. I almost never play my BJ anymore. The PRRI is such a big, rich sounding small amp with classic "Blackface Tone". All my guitars sound great through this amp.
I'll probably keep the BJ as a small spare amp, but to my ears, the PRRI is in a different league vs the BJ. I also have a TRRI which sits in my church which I play through every Sunday.

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Aug 3rd, 2016 08:01 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Some us don't care for the classic blackface tone. My main gigging amps are two 63 Vibroverb RI combos. My BJ NOS doesn't sound as good in comparison, but it definitely does the job at small venues.

champster
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Oceanside, CA

Aug 3rd, 2016 10:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Luckily we don't all seek the same tone. That would be really boring. It's about the music.

pcalu

usa metro detroit

Aug 3rd, 2016 11:54 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Right on Champster!




5Strats
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Aug 3rd, 2016 12:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Champster - You are correct sir!

Stratrocker

USA

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Aug 7th, 2016 11:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ordered one from GC. Should be at the store on Wednesday according to the tracking number they sent me. Can't wait!

champster
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Aug 7th, 2016 12:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Completely stock the PRRI is a great amp.

Stratrocker

USA

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Aug 7th, 2016 08:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Completely stock the PRRI is a great amp."

I've been pondering a new amp for a while. In my research, I've only heard good things about the Princeton. I considered a Deluxe Reverb, but realistically, it's a bit more amp than I need. I really only play for my own enjoyment at home.

Viera
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Aug 7th, 2016 08:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A great thing about PRRI's is that they have an external speaker jack. I frequently play my PRRI through a 1x12 Carvin cab with a Celestion Vintage 30, more often than not in tandem with PRRI Jensen speaker. To my ears it sounds great. Maybe try yours with the BJ as a cab. Either way enjoy it.

SlideGuy123

Northern Virginia

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Aug 8th, 2016 07:17 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just want to chime in on the power tube thing - I have a 2001 Blues Jr with the Billm tone stack and power supply stiffening mods, plus a Texas Heat speaker. Sounds great, very punchy, but not everyone's cup of tea. It's my backup amp now, since I got a Goodsell Super 17 Mk3 a few years ago.

They are both EL84 amps, but they don't sound anything alike -- the Goodsell has a huge 3D sound -- anything but boxy. Some people say it sounds like it has 6V6s, but to me it has its own sound. It isn't just the tubes, its the amp design.

BTW, the other guitarist in the band has a silverface Princeton - an amazing amp -- huge, full tone with tons of low end from the 10" speaker, yet it still cuts through the mix.

DanL

Northern CT - USA

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Aug 16th, 2016 09:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I like my BJ and dig the vibe of the amp. Good amp. Don't use it much, but it's a cool amp that I don't suspect I'll ever part with.

But one of the best sounding amps I've ever heard was my pal's mid 60's blackface Princeton Reverb amp. I have no words for how good that amp sounded.

Not sure how close the new PRRI's sound to the original Princeton Reverb amps, but if they're even in the ballpark, they must sound good.

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