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shunka

Willoughby, OH , USA

I'm arrogant and a moron
Jul 27th, 2016 11:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yeah. I now. It shold be "attention".
Not sure where else to put this.
I've owned a bass nearly as long as I've owned a guitar, but don't consider my self a bass player.
Since I'm having trouble finding a bass player, and since, every bass player I know is playing in three or four bands, I'm wondering about taking the instrument a little more seriously. I have sufficient gear, but I don't think that I have bass player "mind set."
What do you real bass players think are the most common errors that guitar players make when they try to play bass?

(This message was last edited by shunka at 01:29 PM, Jul 27th, 2016)

rockdoc11

USA

Bass is the place . . .
Jul 27th, 2016 01:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Oh, boy . . . IME, these are the things I've most often seen. All, of course, are IMHO and represent gross overgeneralizations!

1. Overplaying. Guitarists too often play too many notes on bass. Let the rhythms breathe. Leave some space. Don't be too busy. Few people who come to hear a band came to hear "the great bass player."

2. Only using a pick. (Yeah, I know. McCartney yadda yadda. But please indulge me for a moment.) There is a different feel for the player, and a different vibe for the listener, when a bassist uses fingers on strings. Think about having both at your disposal. It truly is a different animal that way.

3. Playing too high up on the neck. One of the best bits of advice I ever got from an old grizzled bassist was this: "There's no money past the fifth fret."

4. Not concentrating hard enough on, and trying in every way, to rhythmically lock in with the drummer, especially kick drum and high hat. I find it easier to do this if I'm physically able to see the drummer's right foot on the bass pedal.

5. Think about and seek good tone. For some reason many guitarists on bass that I've heard sound "thin."

6. Adjust psychologically to a very different musical role. Few in the audience will know (or care) what the bassist is doing. All they know is the music sounds good (or doesn't).

7. Hit the root on the "1", and you're 90% there!

;)

All of course, IMHO. I'll looking forward to hearing additional thoughts on this interesting question!

Shunka, you'll probably get a LOT more replies if you also post this in the FDP bass forum.

(This message was last edited by rockdoc11 at 06:50 PM, Jul 27th, 2016)

Dolemite

What It Was!

cross-dressing for Rodan
Jul 27th, 2016 01:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thinking like a guitar player.

Watch the kick and play when it plays, for starters. Over-simplifying maybe, but a safe starting place. An eight note pattern against a quarter note kick is fine, but try simple stuff first.

Less = more

shunka

Willoughby, OH , USA

I'm arrogant and a moron
Jul 27th, 2016 02:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I thought about the bass forum, but this is not a gear thread.

reverendrob
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When I sin

I sin real good
Jul 28th, 2016 06:11 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Depends on the genre as well.

Standard default rock/blues is overplaying as mentioned.

Simple works.

Except when it doesn't.

Been playing both for almost as long as I've been playing guitar.

Roly
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Whitehorse Canada

I don't get out much
Jul 28th, 2016 09:03 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

All of the above + start learning the bass lines of songs you like. Don't "interpret" them, learn them note for note.

Keep this thought in mind when you are writing a bass line..."does this riff actually make the song better"?

The basement holds up the house.....ever seen a fancy basement?...me neither.

cheers

Roly
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Whitehorse Canada

I don't get out much
Jul 28th, 2016 09:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Better add that there are exceptions to every rule.

Here's one.
There are many exceptions but they are not the lions share.

an exception

Roly
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Whitehorse Canada

I don't get out much
Jul 28th, 2016 09:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you are playing country music, learn to play legato.
Don't use your right hand to keep time....IE.... short note value followed or preceded by a right hand percussive sound that is not a note.

A couple more thoughts from an old dog who switched to bass from guitar in 1970.

cheers

Roly
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Whitehorse Canada

I don't get out much
Jul 28th, 2016 10:14 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here's a swell example of somewhat busy bass working nicely....again....not the lions share.

Some no talent goofy Canidans

Roly
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Whitehorse Canada

I don't get out much
Jul 28th, 2016 10:27 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you liked that one....you will like this one.
cheers

more NTGC

shunka

Willoughby, OH , USA

I'm arrogant and a moron
Jul 28th, 2016 11:08 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think Macca got a lot of mieage with hitting the root on 1, and the fifth on the off beat of 2 and the three, and variations of that.

rockdoc11

USA

Bass is the place . . .
Jul 28th, 2016 01:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Roly,

I'm curious about this:

"Don't use your right hand to keep time....IE.... short note value followed or preceded by a right hand percussive sound that is not a note."

What's the issue here? I've found that this technique seems to help a drummer stay with me and vice versa.

littleuch
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Florida

Jul 28th, 2016 02:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

4 strings, no more. Stay on the kick, off of the snare. No pick, no solos.

Exceptions for all the above are reserved for real bass players, dang it.

:-p



Ayns
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England's Sloppiest Guitarist
Jul 29th, 2016 06:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I agree with almost all if the above, apart from "not playing too high up the neck". There's plenty of tasteful notes up there ;-)

digiboy

New York City

Jul 29th, 2016 07:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Listen to some bass players that you like who play the kind of music you will be playing. Learn from them, even copy from them to get into the mind set.

Good solid time is way more important than playing a lot of notes or nailing a complicated bass riff. If a line is hard to play for you right now, simplify it to less notes that you can play more precisely to the rhythm. It will work well enough. Then practice that difficult riff at home and eventually it will come to you.

Listen to the kick. You can create a clean, simple and very functional bass line by just playing root notes to the chord progression in the rhythm pattern of the kick drum.

Get a decent bass amp that is appropriate for the music and the size of the venues you will play. It's probably gonna be heavy. You need way more power/wattage and more speaker air displacement than you do with a guitar. Unlike guitar, distortion in bass is usually unacceptable. Safer to have a bass amp that is bigger and more powerful than you need for the gig.

Rules were meant to be broken. Competent bass players often break the rules. For now, the rules will help you to get in the mind set.





Dolemite

What It Was!

cross-dressing for Rodan
Jul 29th, 2016 08:01 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I played bass in a band and was adding some 13ths and stuff on the G string, sounded great. The leader stopped us and asked me, "What are you doing up there?" I explained the theory and why I thought it sounded so cool. He replied, "I get it. But what are you DOING UP THERE?"

gdw3

LA-la-land, CA

Insert clever comment here
Jul 29th, 2016 10:07 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

2 words: too busy. Play the groove, and everybody will love you.

wborys
OldFartBassPlayerWalt

Robbinsville, NJ

what do you mean the bass is too loud?
Jul 29th, 2016 11:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

whats the quote? something like,
"play so no one notices you're playing,
but really notice if you stop"

how do you get there? to echo what's been
said by a few,
pick 3-4 bass players you'd like to sound like,
learn and play along with a bunch of their songs till you got them down solid.

you'll find their styles will start subconsciouly sneaking into your routine
bass playing, and become part of YOUR style.

in late 60-70s, I played along with Abbey Road, Who's next, Desperado, and Let it bleed
for months. It got me to where I am today.

.. a frustrated bassplayer who hears all these
great lines I should be playing, but only nailing them sporatically. But I got my own
style!

oldFartSometimeGoodBassPlayer Walt

(This message was last edited by wborys at 01:32 PM, Jul 29th, 2016)

super mario
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USA

tone to the bone no other way
Jul 29th, 2016 02:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A ton of great advice here. When I moved to bass, I started on a borrowed Ricky copy (inspired me to imitate Chris Squier of Yes....well tried to imitate). I can remember the first song we were going over - our cover of Marshall Tucker's Can't You See and the drummer as he was unloading his gear commented that I sounded good as I was jamming with the guitar players. I was sticking to the chord notes with no runs as I was working to just keep the bottom line going. As time progressed I have learned to do certain runs, but in the regular run of things I tend to stick to the root notes of the chord changes. My goal has always to be part of the mix adding the bottom line fullness but also taking the liberty to create breaks and breaths in the songs to create the energy that is music - even when the note is far above the 5th fret!

digiboy

New York City

Jul 29th, 2016 02:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Oh just an FYI about the FDP Fender Bass Guitar/Bass Amp sub forum.

There is very little restriction. Playing technique, specific players, specific songs and bass lines, other brands besides Fender are all fair game for topics. I don't think I've ever seen anyone get scolded for going outside the lines as long as the subject was still bass related.


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