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dg27

Long Island City, NY

Jul 2nd, 2016 07:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I own two vintage basses ('69 Gibson EB1 and '69 Fender Mustang), plus two that are on the cusp of what some define as vintage ('76 Rick 4001 and '76 P).

I have a few other newer instruments including a custom (Warmoth).

Last year I put together a Fender Jazz with a 2012 NOS MIM Fender Jazz body and an MIM '62 RI Jazz neck. I installed a Fender Vintage bridge and DiM Model J pickups. That one is by far my favorite player, though the '76 P is a close 2nd.

I was in a very highly regarded NYC vintage shop today and saw several early '60s J and P basses that were very beat up and several thousand $ each. I had absolutely no interest. I just could never justify such a purchase. And FWIW, I'd feel like I could never ride the subway with one if I did own it.

And not to go too off topic, I have no use for relics at all: All the dings and gouges on my instruments are mine (and I can remember when and how they happened). I prefer it that way.

(This message was last edited by dg27 at 09:50 PM, Jul 2nd, 2016)

rockdoc11

USA

Bass is the place . . .
Jul 4th, 2016 11:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm not so sure that vintage instruments have lost their appeal.

I think the very high end stuff ($10,000+) takes a bit of time to sell, but most of these pieces eventually seem to find a home.

Less expensive vintage (three to four figures) seems to sell pretty well, based on what I see at reverb.com.

Raymundo2.0
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Jul 5th, 2016 08:59 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I feel like it's mostly a generational shift in what is considered desireable. I have an acquaintance in his mid 20's who was totally worked up over his recent acquisition of a Tascam 4 track cassette recorder. His band mates prize lo-fi stuff like teiscos etc.

Mick Reid
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Australia

American-made in Oz!!
Jul 6th, 2016 04:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm not a bass player but the vintage market aspect is applicable to the 6 stringers as well.

To take Digiboy's comment a step further, the factory quality of "budget" instruments (eg: Squier, Epiphone) nowadays is got ridiculously good. Especially if you're a tinkerer like so many of us here.
When it comes to playability, we can get instruments that feel and sound really good for a fraction of the price of vintage gear.

I agree that the vintage thing is more about nostalgia than anything else, and, we all know that mojo is a myth, right?
;^)



uncle stack-knob
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united kingdom

Jul 7th, 2016 04:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"We all know that mojo is a myth,right?"

Mojo is the degree of active life force that makes a transient effect possible in space time;and vibe is a symbolic manifestation of extant,previous,or representative phenomena associated with mojo.

Naturally,whether you side with the Cartesian mechanistic view of the universe,or Dr. Rupert Sheldrakes' assertion of the presence of morphic resonance,you are still faced with the problem of human sensory limitations,i.e. to be aware of it you must have it.As to whether or not you do have Mojo remains unanswerable.

Just my take on it Mick.. ;O)

Stack-Knob.

(This message was last edited by uncle stack-knob at 06:24 AM, Jul 7th, 2016)

Peegoo
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Jul 7th, 2016 05:25 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Uncle Stack-Knob for President.

He can out-doubletalk the frontrunners!

edmonstg

Newberg, Oregon

Fender...never say never.
Jul 7th, 2016 05:38 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My head just did a 360.

George

uncle stack-knob
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united kingdom

Jul 7th, 2016 08:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think,therefore I jam.






Stack-Knob.
;O)

Steve Dallman
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Merrill, Wisconsin

Age is just a number...mine is big
Jul 7th, 2016 09:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I grew up on "vintage." I don't have a lot of interest in vintage these days. I prefer to work on vintage amps, but that's because they are so easy and I'm getting older.

As for instruments, I have many cheap instruments that equal or exceed any vintage instruments I've had over the years. While I preferred the old wood in many of my vintage guitars and basses to new, kiln dried products, I can roll fingerboard edges and tweak new, and cheap instruments to feel and play as good as any I've owned.

The high prices demanded for vintage drives any thought of ownership at this point in my life into impossibility. They are cool, but not for me.

Mick Reid
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Australia

American-made in Oz!!
Jul 7th, 2016 09:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Just my take on it Mick.. ;O)"

WOW...

that's all I got...

:^)

uncle stack-knob
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united kingdom

Jul 8th, 2016 01:49 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Mick, I'm just trying to do my funny act... :O))

Stack-Knob.

Mick Reid
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Australia

American-made in Oz!!
Jul 8th, 2016 03:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Mick, I'm just trying to do my funny act..."

Yeah, I know!
I'm not *that* seriously uptight, really!

I just couldn't have thought of a witty and cosmically poignant response like yours without achieving an Excedrin Headache #39...

Actually, I just hurt myself coming up with "cosmically poignant"...


Danny Nader

usa

You should have been there!
Jul 8th, 2016 06:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

" I think,therefore I jam. "

Yep!

Danny

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THE LOW END OF UPPER TEJAS
Jul 8th, 2016 11:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Stack, your post may have appeared to be supercilious at first glance but posts it generated brought about some good jocoseness

digiboy

New York City

Jul 9th, 2016 12:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

For a while, the figurative truss rod of this thread seemed to be taking a decidedly philosophical bent. Now it appears to have veered towards an element of jocularity...but there's no use in fretting about it.

Jeff Scott

On a spinning rock

Jul 17th, 2016 03:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

dg27 said:

"I was in a very highly regarded NYC vintage shop today and saw several early '60s J and P basses that were very beat up and several thousand $ each."

I see the problem, here. You thought they were beat up; read USK's post about mojo, above; also, research its relative, relic-ing. Beat up is just not a term that is used to describe vintage (read as: OLD) Fenders, and other brands. ;^P

dg27

Long Island City, NY

Jul 18th, 2016 04:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I did read USK's post about mojo. These babies had none. Just severe battle scars. I liked well-cared for aged instruments (my '69 Gibson and '69 Mustang are great examples, with wonderful checking).

I saw the identical Mustang today (though it's a '70) in my regular small shop (the "burgundy" that's really blue/racing stripes variety). It looked like someone had dragged it around the packing lot. It was $1900. Have no idea what mine is worth, but it's a much better cared for instrument.

(This message was last edited by dg27 at 07:45 PM, Jul 18th, 2016)

Jeff Scott

On a spinning rock

Jul 18th, 2016 08:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I was just kidding!

I too, don't get the beat up/artificial relic thing. I take care of my instruments and they look great thanks to that.

dg27

Long Island City, NY

Jul 19th, 2016 07:19 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Jeff, I'm relieved to hear that :). My '76 P, which was my main player for many years has dings and wear, but they are all real and all mine...

edmonstg

Newberg, Oregon

Fender...never say never.
Jul 20th, 2016 05:06 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Something I've noticed is that sellers are still trying to get buyers to pay the prices for vintage we all saw in the early 2000s, when the sky seemed to be the limit.

The bubble popped around 2008 and has never recovered. It's actually a good thing IMO. The money some vintage was fetching at that time really got crazy.

George

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