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68Strat
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May 24th, 2016 02:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a masterbuild guitar on order and I am going to have them custom wind my pups.

I had a set of cs 69's which I liked but they sounded a bit thin...especially the bridge.

So I would like to have them custom wind 3 pups that are like 1968's but maybe a tad hotter. like all pups at the time some probly got wound a little hotter than others etc.

so I was wondering what outputs I should be going for. I don't want hot like texas special hot...I definitely want the Hendrix tone.

I was thinking:

5.8 neck
5.8 middle
6.0 bridge

That would be a slight bit hotter than the CS 69's but not over the top...and especially the bridge PU being a bit hotter.

let me know any thoughts on this. maybe I have it all wrong with going hotter...maybe I should go less...not sure.

amphead4
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May 24th, 2016 03:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If those are kohms, what wire gauge are you specifying? Inductance?

heavypic

USA / Pennsylvania

heavypic
May 24th, 2016 04:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

OP -

Here's some info on Fender pups for comparison:

CS '54s A5; formvar-coated wire; neck/middle 5.9 (not rwrp) no hum cancel; 6.5k bridge; fiber bobbins; staggered hand-beveled

Pure Vintage ‘59s – formvar-coated wire; A5; 5.9K output

Pure Vintage ‘65s – enamel-coated wire; A5; 5.9K output; fiber bobbin; staggered; cloth-covered wire; wax potted; vintage tone

CS ‘69: enamel-coated wire; A5; 5.8K; (not rwrp) no hum cancel; fiber bobbins; staggered

CS Texas Specials: Enamel-coated wire; A5; neck 6.2; middle 6.5, bridge 6.5-7.1; fiber bobbin; staggered


68Strat
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May 24th, 2016 06:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

thanks for the info...

Interesting...I thought cs 69 were a bit less like 5.3-5.7

68Strat
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May 24th, 2016 06:21 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

amphead I'm not sure, I'm up for a lesson though.

I wonder what the standard was for 1968

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May 24th, 2016 06:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The issue I had with a CS69' in the bridge of one of my Strats wasn't the output, it was that CS69s' are somewhat mid-scooped. The lack of mids didn't work so well for the bridge position.

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May 24th, 2016 08:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You might want to look into Fender Big Dipper pickups. These were the CS pups that came on the John Mayer signature Strat. Don't know how easy they are to find--Mayer is no longer a Fender endorsee--but you could at least look up the specs.

Supposed to be like slightly overwound CS 69's.

dustoff

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May 25th, 2016 08:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic


I too was looking for the Hendrix sound. I worked with OC Duff and he nailed it. He winds by hand. What I did was have him make me a set of 69s for a left hand guitar.
I installed them in my right handed strat...BINGO. He is easy to work with and uses period correct materials to make his pickups. If you can tell him what you want he can wind it.
if you don't like them tell him whay and he will adjust them free. Good luck.

Website:
http://www.ocduffpickups.com/









Achase4u

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May 29th, 2016 01:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Owen is great to work with.

The differences between 68 and 69 will be very little. Both years were lower output around 5.8k yes, but inductance is just as important. around 2.2H is needed for that scooped more transparent sound. 2.3H would be a pinch fuller sounding. The DCR to inductance ratio will change depending on the batch and type of alnico 5, as well as the wire itself. Anywhere from 5.5k to 5.9k would be expected around the 2.2 to 2.3H range.

I would simply tell the custom shop that you want them just a pinch fuller sounding than the CS 69s, if that is your goal. Or simply talk to Owen Duffy if you want something truly hand made like they were long ago. Most people prefer the hand wound sound even when replicating CBS era pickups, which were machine wound.

(This message was last edited by Achase4u at 04:45 PM, May 29th, 2016)

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