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Edmund

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Apr 13th, 2016 05:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I love all Fender strats (vintage, relic, import or mia). But here's a funny story I need to share. I've recently visited a Guitar Center and 3 relic'd custom shop strats caught my eye. 2 of them were slightly lower priced than the third relic. I asked the guy why these 2 relics were cheaper than the 3rd and he says, "one is brand new, one is an old stock and the other was used". I looked at these 3 relic'd strats again and I'm not gonna lie, that answer just blew my mind. Has anyone else ever have a "what ?" moment when window shopping for relics ?

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Apr 14th, 2016 07:04 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Of course. It *is* goofy when you think about it that way.

"This light relic Time Machine is pristine! These are all authentic factory scratches."

or

"This is a used one, so it has some damage here, here, and here."



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Apr 14th, 2016 07:24 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Incredibly funny and just another indication that high priced relic guitars are a bit silly.

I don't mind a little relic work on a Strat, but the Fender Custom Shop "Super Relics" are hideous IMHO.

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Apr 14th, 2016 07:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I guess some blemishes are more aesthetically pleasing than others. People, if you're going to have a mishap with your guitar, make it professional looking, m'kay?

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Apr 16th, 2016 07:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's funny how the market has turned....in the "old" days, if there was a defect in the finish the guitar was sold as a "blem" for less money....now we are paying a premium for "factory induced" blems.....we are so dumb!

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Apr 16th, 2016 09:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A Tele story but same difference.

On warmish evenings I'll often sit out on the side patio steps and strum unplugged. I'm also a smoker. On one occasion I managed to set dowm my Nocaster relic on a still smouldering cigarette butt and by the time I got back from the loo it had burned through the laquer on the back.

So did I drastically reduce the value of the guitar of add priceless genuine mojo?

All I know is that if it had been a mint reissue I would have been majorly p*ssed.

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Apr 16th, 2016 12:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That's actually a positive aspect about the TM/Relic line: a new ding or scratch is not a heart-stopping incident.

Sort of like buying a used tractor. You don't worry so much about the paint.

Tyrone Shuz

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Apr 19th, 2016 01:27 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Looks are tertiary--sound and feel come 1 and 2. The best wood Fender has goes on those relics. My pet theory is, that since relics cost more than CC's and NOS, that the best of the best wood goes on the relics because Fender makes more profit on a Relic than a CC or NOS.

My Nocaster Relic is an amazing guitar, nothing less. And the back of the neck feels perfect. It doesn't look like my old strats, it's a sand job, but whatever they treated the neck with makes it feel right. And the guitar is LOUD acoustically, it's a real monster, and that translates through the amp.

But yeah the pricing on used ones can be curious I suppose. So the heck with the methodology, find a guitar you love, and buy it, if it's worth it to you.

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Apr 19th, 2016 05:14 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I agree, based on the following totally non-scientific method using an extremely small statistical sample:

I have two Time Machine Relics (a Strat and a Tele); I've had them all the way apart.

The bodies, when hung from a fingertip by the neck pickup rout and rapped with a knuckle, ring out like a marimba. Same for the neck wood.

Time Machine Relic '63 Telecaster

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Strat, Tele, Strat, Tele...hmmmmm
Apr 19th, 2016 02:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Mint Relic" is like Jumbo Shrimp. I've never gotten the whole relic thing. We don't drive relic classic cars so what is it about guitars and amps that makes them better when they are beat up on purpose. I understand that many (like Tyrone) feel they are better guitars than their new looking contemporaries.

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Apr 19th, 2016 03:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I had a light relic for a number of years (online purchase). I thought that Fender did a really good job with it looks wise. It was a 2 tone SB with a very nice playing rosewood board neck.

Unfortunately it lacked in the tone department, thin in the high end. I swapped just about everything including the neck & pups. There were no setup issues. The body was just tone dead. It ended up being a very expensive mistake. So much for the relics getting the best wood.

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Apr 19th, 2016 09:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"So much for the relics getting the best wood."

I agree. While *maybe* much of the time they do, that's not a guarantee. Back in the fall of 2011 I spent a few hours at Wildwood Guitars in Louisville, CO; home of the largest dealer in Fender (and Gibson) Custom Shop guitars. They let me "have at it" with about 8 CS guitars--all relics of varying degrees (between $3K and $4K, all of them). I spent about 3 hours playing these guitars. I also had my number one Strat with me (a late '98 Amer Std w/Fralin Vintage Hots) as well as my Allen Brown Sugar amp. Comparing apples-to-apples, here. Not what I "thought" I remembered about some other tone--those tones came in the door with me.

After playing all these really nice CS relics, I went home with the guitar and amp I arrived with. While those relics all played really well and sounded quite good, none of them sounded nearly as good as my #1. Don't ask me why. My old #1 had a much broader and dynamic tonal range and response. There was just no question about it. I have never had (or played) a guitar as good as my #1, and there is no "logical" reason as to why that's the case. Yes...it is made really well, and the neck is a bit chunkier than the usual modern neck. But tonally it is a very hefty sounding guitar--great playability, sustain and depth of tonal character.

Who knows....??

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Apr 19th, 2016 09:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sounds line a very interesting experience stratcowboy. I guess it just goes to show that a great guitar doesn't have to be a CS, relic, or whatever.

I've been fortunate enough to have owned a number of nice Strats & Teles including some nitro and/or "thin skin" finish ones. The absolute 2 best, which I still own, are non-CS poly finished Strats.

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Apr 20th, 2016 07:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

... Then there are Fano Guitars, reliced as a matter of course, and if you want a nice shiny new looking one, it's an upcharge even further...Mine are relicing just fine with Hawaiian UV, playing, and a bit of Budweiser thrown in the stumbling mix...;-)

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Apr 21st, 2016 06:59 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

How good a guitar sounds is due to WHO IS PLAYING IT, not the finish.

Sorry kids, you can't buy tone. (:oD

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Apr 21st, 2016 12:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

No, it's the $80 Lava cable that gets you that creamy endless sustain!

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Apr 21st, 2016 02:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sometimes an amp/guitar combo is far more than the sum of its parts as well.

That particular amp and guitar go well together in what you want it to do.

Sometimes that's not true when you try a new one (and why I keep a few amps on hand, some guitars love one more than the others)

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Apr 21st, 2016 02:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Of course I sort of contradict my self elsewhere on this site talking about higher action providing better tone.

I thought I'd confess this before my credibility was impeached in this thread. (:oD

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Apr 22nd, 2016 04:24 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a journeyman 59 relic and its my favorite guitar. I also have an AVRI thin skin and an AVRI57. Love them all, but I play the relic more. They all sound pretty close. Its the worn in feel of the neck and body that make it more of a pleasure to play and I dont even care about getting another ding or scratch on it.
Its not the over the top relics that you see alot of . Mine actually looks shiny until you hold it to the light. It had the specs I was looking for and loved the way it played. Do I have to justify the price?Not at all.

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Jul 28th, 2016 07:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

;-) I guess I'm just the opposite. I have a strat that was going relic but in a bad way. I spent money to make it perfect again.. I'm such a maroon...

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