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nashoba

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Mar 28th, 2016 08:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Can anyone verify this, please? I've played through one a few times, quickly, & thought it was nice, much nicer than any Mustang amp & I played a big Mustang 2 days ago. Mustangs are not for me. The SCX2 seems a bit more tube sounding in the distortion modes, to my ears. Am I being fooled? Is it tube, digital, or a blend?

Gaukdawg

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Mar 28th, 2016 07:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The amp I use at home is my SCXD, I know that is the older version and I can't get a guitar to sound bad through this amp. While I think the Distortion/Overdrive is all from the digital portion of the amp, the power section is tube and seems to really sweeten up the sound.

When I am trying out guitars at home, I am always modding, changing pickups and electronics, I have to use my Blackheart Lil' Giant to determine how a guitar sounds.

But I gig with my Mustang III.

(This message was last edited by Gaukdawg at 09:22 PM, Mar 28th, 2016)

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Mar 28th, 2016 09:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

All of the distortion is created by the DSP chip in the preamp.

The 12AX7 is a driver/phase inverter, so it creates no distortion either.

Despite all that, the SCXD is a pretty good sounding amp.

nashoba

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Mar 29th, 2016 08:43 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yeah, the SCXD sounded good when I played it the other day, although there were times I felt as though something was missing. It had the digital feel & sound at times, that made me hesitant. Same with the Bandmaster VM head cab I played. Liked the BMVM a lot but the distortion sound had me hesitant on pulling the trigger. They both sound good.....but. Next time I'll try the clean channel on the SCXD with my Blackstar HT Drive tube overdrive to see how it sounds. Gonna run it through the new PV 112 w/Greenback cab. Looking forward to experimenting.

JohnS

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Mar 29th, 2016 06:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I love my SCXD, but I really only use the clean channel 1. To me that is what this amp is all about.

tuninguitars

Indiana

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Jul 29th, 2016 10:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I called Fender today to see if I could get a power transformer for my super champ XD mine died from a shorted tube
they are out of production and so what are you supposed to do with a amp that they don't make replacement parts for I guess trash can it.
To say i'm disappointed is
not even close

(This message was last edited by tuninguitars at 12:14 AM, Jul 30th, 2016)

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Jul 30th, 2016 05:43 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've got both SCXD and Mustang III, and for me the MIII is a much better amp. SCXD Is good though, and the dirty amp models are all digital.

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Jul 31st, 2016 09:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

tuninguitars - watch eBay and others for SC XD and X2 that are sold for parts or not working. There are some ways to retrofit other PTs to work in the XD but it takes some doing as you not only have to provide the basic voltages with ample currents for the output tubes but also the 5 volt regulated supply for the DSP board.

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tuninguitars

Indiana

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Aug 1st, 2016 11:17 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Willie

Do You know if the X2 PT will fit the DX
PT for the X2 are still in stock at Fender

I called Fender but they won't sell me a PT so they won't sell me any more things either they may think there the only thing going but I think different!

(This message was last edited by tuninguitars at 01:29 PM, Aug 1st, 2016)

tuninguitars

Indiana

lets take it apart
Aug 1st, 2016 11:25 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ayns

I agree as I have Mustang 1,3, had a 4 but sold it to my brother it was to heavy for me and the 3 has all i need and I have at least 5 old tube amps
Fenders, Carvin , traynor, Epiphone and many Transister Amps
but I been doing this for 60+ years

(This message was last edited by tuninguitars at 01:31 PM, Aug 1st, 2016)

willie
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Aug 1st, 2016 01:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I would have to look very closely at both schematics, but I have NO reason to think the X2's PT wouldn't work in the XD.

Fender has never sold parts of this type to the public, they only sell them to authorized service centers and I have heard of them selling to authorized small parts dealers though they really aren't supposed to. Don't be too upset with FMIC, they are simply protecting their service center and dealer network.

willie

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Aug 1st, 2016 01:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think we inadvertently hijacked this thread...sorry.

tuninguitars...while the PT part numbers for each amp are different (0074592000 for the XD, and 0091234000 for the X2), I can see no electrical differences at all. So unless they configured the mounting differently, which I doubt, I would expect the only difference in the two amps would be in the DSP board. You would do best trying to purchase a transformer through an authorized Fender Electronics Service Center...though many will not sell parts to the public either as they are there to make money repairing and not selling parts. The installation is simple and I would certainly consider paying to have the part installed by the service center before I gave up on the amp altogether....JMO of course. The XD is a great little amp and worth saving.

willie

tuninguitars

Indiana

lets take it apart
Aug 1st, 2016 01:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Willie

Maybe one of the other suppliers will make one someday and I can fix it, or sell it to someone for parts ?


tuninguitars

Indiana

lets take it apart
Aug 1st, 2016 01:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Willie

Thank You for looking up the part numbers maybe I can get GC in Mishawaka To get me one..

The nearest Fender service center to me is sweetwater in Ft Wayne In.

Last November I had just gotten out of hospital
so I had my daughter take a Fender amp to them to replace a volume pot. they wanted 240.00 I said no and they charged 60.00 for looking at it
two months later I was feeling better and did it my self for 8.50 and 20 min
Sweetwater will never get any of my money again or many of my friends cash either.

(This message was last edited by tuninguitars at 03:55 PM, Aug 1st, 2016)

willie
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Aug 1st, 2016 07:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Generally, your best bet are smaller independent fender service centers that don't do anything else but fix amps. Smaller mom and pop type music stores that are also gold level authorized electronic service centers are also good. If I hadn't retired, I would have been more than happy to fix that for you for very little...usually an hour labor plus the cost of the part for a PT change....sometimes even a bit less. Oh well...

Yeah, if you are inclined to do so...it will sell pretty easily on eBay. Should be able to get maybe $75 or so in current condition.

w

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Aug 2nd, 2016 05:08 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Willie my brother, would the Heyboer TO20 PT work as a replacement? I didn't look at the specs, but I think they're fairly close to the Princeton.

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Aug 2nd, 2016 06:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Only for the outputs and their filaments. There has to be a tap for the 5 volt DSP board as well as a tap for the bias which runs off a voltage doubler and a tap to run the ICs as well. It is an odd duck for sure.

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Aug 2nd, 2016 09:07 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Gotcha, thanks. I love working with professionals!

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willie
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Aug 2nd, 2016 01:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I miss the amp tech and music biz and it's nice to be able to pass along tid bits when I can...Thanks.

w

tuninguitars

Indiana

lets take it apart
Aug 5th, 2016 10:41 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well it looks like I have a Pt for my super Champ XD ordered it is for a X2 but I hope it works




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