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FDP Forum / Fender Amps: Vintage (before 1985) / fire damage - actually smoke / soot

onebigknob

usa

you can do a lot with quarter notes.....
Mar 24th, 2016 01:28 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Bassman 135 was in a room that suffered mostly smoke / soot damage; no direct flames, but the room got hot enough that the plastic side vent panels bulged out more than 1 inch. I have countless questions, but for today I'll concentrate on how to remove the smoke / soot from the front control panel without removing all of the blue control lettering. In my playing experience, the blue lettering Fender used on silver face era amps is not as delicate as the white lettering Ampeg used in the 60s, or even the black lettering Ampeg used in the 70s, but the blue Fender lettering still comes off very easily. How to clean the panel and not trash the lettering?

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American Patriot

I'm on guard these days.
Mar 24th, 2016 10:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Q-tip and alcohol or vinegar. I have 3 Fender chassis that barely survived a raging fire. I have cleaned the chassis with this method. It takes a long time but if you are patient, you can clean it up pretty nicely. My chassis all suffered more than yours did. On one, the plastic shafts on all of the pots melted. These had to be replaced. The faceplates on all amps were burned and ruined. A '72 Super Reverb chassis survived enough that I got it to play but no reverb. The '62 Bandmaster might work but it will need more expertise than I have. Still working on the '69 Princeton Reverb.

'72 Super Reverb that survived a very bad fire.

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American Patriot

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Mar 24th, 2016 10:48 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here's the fire of the amps I am talking about above.

Bad fire

onebigknob

usa

you can do a lot with quarter notes.....
Mar 24th, 2016 03:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I got lucky, all things considered, five three story townhouses were destroyed in our fire - 100% write-off. I was lucky in that my gear was in one of a half dozen rooms on the back side of the building where the fire was knocked down as it was burning the wall separating my room from the fire. Due to smoke / soot, water and extreme heat all of my clothes were a total loss, books a total loss; only gear that was in cases survived.

my current question concerns the blue lettering - how to clean the faceplate without removing the blue letters???

roadhog96

USA / CT.

Mar 24th, 2016 10:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

my current question concerns the blue lettering - how to clean the faceplate without removing the blue letters???

You can't use anything abrasive like Maas or Simichrome metal polish. You can't use anything with chemicals that could damage the print. Hopefully it wasn't exposed to to much heat that may have caused damage to the printing underneath all that soot. it could be discolored. If it were me I'd try using some carnauba wax. Wax itself isn't meant to be a cleaner but it's gentle on surfaces, it's moist, it won't scratch the faceplate or damage the printing. It does remove grime and dirt off surfaces. Just apply it gently using light pressure, let the wax do the work. After its clean, if it works apply a final coat to seal it from moisture and that will prevent any oxidation damage. I've been using it on my Silverface faceplates for years and they haven't aged a bit.

(This message was last edited by roadhog96 at 12:03 AM, Mar 25th, 2016)

onebigknob

usa

you can do a lot with quarter notes.....
Mar 24th, 2016 11:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

thanks for the faceplate suggestion

onebigknob

usa

you can do a lot with quarter notes.....
Mar 24th, 2016 11:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Tonight's task was to remove, clean and store the vent panels. But the plastic crumbled to the floor as I removed each screw. I will probably use metal speaker grill material to fill the vent openings

onebigknob

usa

you can do a lot with quarter notes.....
Mar 26th, 2016 09:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

with much of the tolex apparently decomposing due to some corrosive component of the soot / smoke, I'm leaning toward a bare wood finish (with oil, low gloss shellac or something to seal the wood) The tolex problem doesn'tr show up well in existing photos, but in large areas, it is not longer tight up against the wood, and it feels like it if falling apart. Once I've done the best cleaning I can, I'll take the amp to my tech; he'll keep the chassis for testing and any necessary repairs. Ill take the cabinet home to strip tolex, /repair / prepare the wood structure, and then oil or apply shellac.

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