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FDP Forum / Fender Amps: Vintage (before 1985) / Blackface Bandmaster - practical for gigging

swampyankee
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olde New England

If you can't play good, play loud
Feb 26th, 2016 12:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've wanted a Bandmaster for quite some time now. I had one back in the '70's which I sold to buy diapers and I've pined for one ever since.

I finally got an excuse to buy one after I started in my present gig. I got what I hoped would be the modern equivalent - the Bandmaster VM - but after using it for a while I've become frustrated getting a good tone from it. So now I'm looking for a vintage head, and I'm chasing down some leads.

But before I pull the trigger - I need to do a reality check and ask - how practical is a 50 year old Bandmaster for gigging? I don't expect to work it all that hard. The band plays out about once or twice a month, and the amp would be left in the practice space and used once or twice a week for practices. I always bring a backup to gigs, so that's a foregone conclusion.
I have a "modern" CVR that I could make into a head to use with my 212 cabinet, so that would be my practical alternative.

(This message was last edited by swampyankee at 02:51 PM, Feb 26th, 2016)

Hammond101
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Feb 26th, 2016 12:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I gigged a BF Bandmaster for years, a 1965. I got my dirt through pedals and used a midi switch to change between the amp's two channels for leads and rhythms. I usually set the cab on end with the head on top to save floor space on smaller stages.

Other than a re-tube, I never touched that amp. I later had another we used as a keyboard amp. Again never an issue just normal maint.

carsten

on the rhine

Feb 26th, 2016 03:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi!

I´ve been using a ´66 Deluxe as my main amp for 6-7 years now, and I´ve had two problems. A faulty rectifier-tube and a cold solder-joint which caused the speaker to cut out occasionally.
The total amount of maintenance costs were around $30.

So, from a practical point of view I´d say you´d be fine with a 50-year-old amp ;-)

cheers - C.



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Feb 26th, 2016 07:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

swampy... not sure what kind of cab your going to use...but with a vintage BM head there are several ways to go..

the 66 I picked up recently has been tricked out a bit...the vibrato been disconnected and a mid range control added on the speed pot...also the SS rectifier has been converted to use a Weber copper cap rectifier..

I replaced both V1 and V2 with 12AY7's instead of the 7025's... tames the loudness and its a bit less aggressive..

and I'm running it through a 2x10 cab instead of 2x12.

I had a 66 BM running a 2x12 cab several years ago and like an idiot sold it thinking it was "too much".

of course you can also convert the darn thing to a combo cab and run 1x12, 2x12, 2x10's or 1x15 as long as its a 4ohm load...

and...the darn things are still a bargain price wise.

I plan on converting my head to a 2x10 combo...maybe even a 3x10..


and you can jumper the 2 channels together with a patch cord..

Sweet!!

and +1 to everything carsten said...;-0

swampyankee
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Feb 27th, 2016 04:56 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

GF, I had talked to Steve Dallman and he offered some good suggestions for hot rodding the circuit. But I'd be happy just to work with the stock head and pedals for now.
To me, a Bandmaster has to have 2 12" speakers. The seller of the BM head is offering the 212 cab with Peavey speakers for another $200, but I was planning on using the VM 212 cabinet I already have.

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Feb 27th, 2016 06:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"To me, a Bandmaster has to have 2 12" speakers"

my first one had 2 Celestion Anniversay 12's in it....with a slightly smaller Jd Newell 2x12 cab.
a bit more transportable
the beast sounded amazing...and I could crank that thing up in my basement when I lived in Va.

no basement in Florida...;-(...

and in the interest of trying to keep my neighbors happy I went with my present configuration...;-0

either way its still a great package...and boy do they get loud!!

swampyankee
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olde New England

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Mar 1st, 2016 12:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The '66 BM I'm looking at was offered to me for $600. I was going to buy the head only, but he offered me the 212 cabinet for $100 more, so it'd be foolish not to get it as well. The cabinet has some sort of Peavey speakers in it, but I'd probably be getting speakers anyway, especially if I was using my VM 212 cabinet with the Celestions, which I don't care for.

The amp is about an hour away. Got to get there and try it out.

uncleuncle

USA

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Mar 2nd, 2016 08:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a '63-'64 transition Bandmaster I bought new in 1964. Aside from normal service, this amp has had NO issues. Unbeatable tone and more than enough power for most gigs. The Bandmaster and Bassman amps from this era are unmatched by anything built today.

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Mar 2nd, 2016 09:27 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"The Bandmaster and Bassman amps from this era are unmatched by anything built today."

you know... I've often wondered why they aren't more popular...

but that's ok...its an awesome bang for the buck


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Indy

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Mar 8th, 2016 07:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My 1961 Tremolux has never stopped working. I bought the head in 1973 for $150. I have had tone issues twice and the tremolo stopped working once. My repairs cost about $200. So I have $350 in a hand-wired, tone monster that I have owned for 42 years. That's about $8.33 per year. And it's reliable! It's kinda like an old, simple car. It may not always run well but it never completely stops running. Repairs are cheap too.

(This message was last edited by Bigfoot at 10:19 PM, Mar 8th, 2016)

Danny Nader

usa

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Mar 17th, 2016 07:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Even though a lot of owners will say that they've never done a thing to their amps, still running on the same tubes, and so on, don't take this as gospel. The truth of the matter is if the amp is untouched after all this time, it will need tubes, it will need filter caps & other parts replaced.

But, after this initial outlay, you will be able to gig w/ this amp trouble free for about twenty years. You might need to replace the tubes every so often & there might be some minor repairs needed, but it will be relatively problem free for a long time.

Danny

(This message was last edited by Danny Nader at 06:44 PM, Mar 19th, 2016)

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