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wborys
OldFartBassPlayerWalt

Robbinsville, NJ

what do you mean the bass is too loud?
Feb 12th, 2016 08:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

well, his brand new EPI les paul copy.
bought it cheap ($350), brought it
to the living room practice space, which
has a thick rug. He laid in in his
stand, it tipped forward, and fell
face down, maybe 3 inches off the
ground, onto the rug, without hitting
anything. The neck SNAPPED off at the
0 fret, completely separated.

Has other users heard of this syndrome?

BTW, His guitar dealer is in touch with the
manufacturer, but he may be responsible
for repair costs..

(This message was last edited by wborys at 03:32 PM, Feb 13th, 2016)

Pinetree
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NW Pennsylvania

Feb 12th, 2016 09:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Oh heck yes.

I've seen many a Les Paul snap like that.




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Feb 12th, 2016 09:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I bought a beautiful Epi Les Paul at a pawn shop and it looked like the neck broke at a scarf joint but didn't completely separate. I bought it for $99, brought it home and glued it and clamped it. I filled in a few spots and repainted the back of the neck. You could tell it if you really looked hard but it was a great player.


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Feb 13th, 2016 04:07 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That is the common break. Several reasons why.

The neck is narrowest at that point.

There's a bunch of wood missing inside the neck *right there* to accommodate the truss rod adjustment.

There's angular tension in the wood, caused by the strings over the nut. The strings are already trying to flip the headstock forward.

The nut provides the perfect fulcrum for the break when the guitar lands face down--even on squishy carpet.

This is why I never put a Les Paul on a stand that is not the "hang from the headstock" type. Too easy to tip off the stand.

Also why I never transport a Les Paul in a gig bag.

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 06:10 AM, Feb 13th, 2016)

Dolemite

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Feb 13th, 2016 10:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My LP Studio did a face plant on concrete at a gig. Broke like OP's pal. Glued & clamped, back in biz.

jazzguy
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Feb 17th, 2016 11:38 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

old style guitar stands = doom


Juice Nichols
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Feb 17th, 2016 02:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I saw an old band mates Epi Les Paul do a faceplant off a guitar stand onto a concrete slab and it survived without a scratch. I was surprised as heck because I was sure he was going to pick up to find the headstock snapped.

I guess it's like when a tornado rips up a neighborhood and you see a house unscathed right next to a house that's completely leveled.

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Feb 18th, 2016 01:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I once opened the case and lifted up a brand new P-bass to give it a thorough inspection and promptly inserted the headstock into a spinning ceiling fan. No damage, just a sick feeling.

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On marrige #3. Bad picker, not a quitter
Feb 18th, 2016 02:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A certain divisive guy in the guitar business years ago had a funny article on his site about this exact subject.

He basically said that they should just break em' at the factory and glue them back together there as a repaired one is very stable.

He also noted that Epi's and other copies don't seem to have that problem. IMHO that's because the majority of them are two piece necks with a glue joint where that break would occur.

(This message was last edited by Patton at 04:27 PM, Feb 18th, 2016)

picnic
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Feb 18th, 2016 11:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

the repair will cost 100-150 for a crack, much more for a separation. broken neck guitars that have been repaired take a dive in value. your friend may be taking in the nose on this break

K4
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Feb 24th, 2016 06:56 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yep very common. The plus side after being repaired, it will never break again and the guitar will be more stable as far as staying in tune.

Down side is resale value.

Edit,

Personally I wont buy any LP unless it has been repaired. Cheaper to buy and I dont have to baby it.

(This message was last edited by K4 at 09:00 PM, Feb 24th, 2016)

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Feb 25th, 2016 11:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I did broken headstocks at the last music store I was a tech at for $40. I did a lot of them. Most were clean breaks and with Titebond II, and proper clamping, they turned out great.

If there was a lot of splintering, pieces missing, serious finish damage, or headstock face damage requiring more finishing, I'd charge a little more. I luckily never had to use anything to reinforce the break. Most were scarf breaks with fingerboard separation. Even nasty breaks, IF all the original wood is there, would glue well.

Most repairs took minimal time. Titebond, wood to wood, will be stronger than the original wood.

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Mar 4th, 2016 01:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I had an Agile LP copy take a tumble off an elevated stage at an outdoor gig. I was switching guitars and wasn't careful putting it on the stand. I saw it go as I was grabbing the other guitar. That was a long set waiting to see how bad the damage was.

After the set I jump off the stage, pick it up and there's not a nick, scratch or any indication that it fell. What's more, it was still in tune. I was a lucky SOB that day.

rockdoc11

USA

Bass is the place . . .
Mar 4th, 2016 03:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

There used to be a standing joke about Les Pauls and their "automatic headstock ejection" feature.

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Mar 5th, 2016 09:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"A certain divisive guy in the guitar business years ago had a funny article on his site about this exact subject."

I wonder what Ed Roman had to say about this stuff?

haha

Patton
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Michigan

On marrige #3. Bad picker, not a quitter
Mar 6th, 2016 08:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You got it dude! :-)

Vic Vega

Massachusetts

Deflating Balls Since 1969
Mar 15th, 2016 06:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I had it happen to an acoustic. A good repairman will make it just about invisible. I would guess that with my acoustic, if I didn't tell you it had broken, you'd never even know.

picnic
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Mar 20th, 2016 08:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

my friend wore out his frets on his Tom Anderson Tele. He wanted TAG to replace the neck with a new neck that had a slightly different carve. TAG doesn't sell necks. You have to send your guitar back to them for a replacement neck.

So my buddy puts up a post that he is "sending his guitar to meet its maker." Some of us thought he had broke his guitar. Some clever word play at work



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Mar 21st, 2016 08:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Good topic, but everybody, let's say it together, Knock on wood!

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stigg "Geezer, and still lov'in it"!
Mar 22nd, 2016 09:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I found this out the hard way. The headstock on my epi dot deluxe snapped with just a little pressure.
"Be careful" is the watchword:0(


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