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FDP Forum / Fender Amps: Vintage (before 1985) / Who makes a proper replica of a 1953/54 era wide panel Fender Super?

Chris Greene
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Idaho, USA

There's no money like old money
Feb 12th, 2016 05:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I had an original for 20 years and foolishly sold it in 1992. I want another but I'd be OK with a clone. 2x10 diagonally mounted speakers and it was, IIRC, a 5F4 circuit. I don't want a kit.

urby
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Feb 13th, 2016 12:36 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Clark makes a 5F4 narrow panel copy. The Penrose. I found one used and had it around for a few years because I always wanted to try one out. It was a great amp. I only sold it because I have a couple of amps with a similar sound.

Victoria used to make one, too. They also build very solid, good sounding amps.

Wide panel repros are going to be hard to find, I'm afraid.

Penrose

Chris Greene
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Idaho, USA

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Feb 13th, 2016 12:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks, urb. Dang, those are spendy. I'd almost be ahead searching out an original.

I did OK when I sold mine in 1992. I got the same as I paid for it in 1973 - $175...

urby
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Feb 13th, 2016 11:36 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you are patient and search "used" they can be found about half that price.

"I did OK when I sold mine in 1992. I got the same as I paid for it in 1973 - $175..."

Yep. That's right before prices went up dramatically. I bought a real clean blackface VR around 1990 for around $500. Sold it 10 years later for $1500. Missed it and about 5 years ago paid $2500 for another. I'm keeping this one.

On the other hand in 1995 I bought a '58 Bandmaster for $3500 and sold it three years ago for $9500.

By the way, Vintage Guitar Price Guide has the 1953/54 Wide panels in good condition going for somewhere between $4500 and $5600.

(This message was last edited by urby at 01:45 PM, Feb 13th, 2016)

Chris Greene
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Idaho, USA

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Feb 13th, 2016 12:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's crazy! Hard to see where the market is with baby boomers getting on in years and few new guitar players with the love of 50's and 60's era gear.

There was a time I could have sold my 1960/61 Concert for big bucks. Now?

Maybe I should just be happy with my tweed Pro Jr. and Deluxe Reverb RI.

Doc Sarvis
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Feb 13th, 2016 12:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"There was a time I could have sold my 1960/61 Concert for big bucks. Now?"

Precisely why you should get your WP Super now although the inventory has dried up due to the market bottoming out you'll find the real deal eventually and it will be worth it. I've been searching for the "right" NP Super for years just haven't found it yet.

Chris Greene
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Idaho, USA

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Feb 13th, 2016 02:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just came back from my studio where the Concert, a '59 Harmony 305, and an amp I haven't paid much recent attention to reside. The latter, is a Fender '59 Bassman RI. However, it's that in name only. Many years ago, Clay Hullett (Bill's son) was doing amps and we'd talked about redoing a '59 Bassman with a PTP chassis and a speaker selector switch that would allow, depending on the position, 1-4 speakers. I don't know what the old Bassman circuit was but running it on 1-2 speakers sure has an old Fender sound (you rotate the switch and plug or unplug the appropriate number of speakers. The cabinet is ply or pine, can't tell for certain.

I wonder if that could be butchered a bit and mount the chassis and two speakers in an appropriate cab?? Not quite a WP Super but then maybe that doesn't really matter too much.?

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Feb 13th, 2016 04:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The issue with a Bassman chassis in a Super cab is the width of the chassis. The cutout in the Super cab would be to small for the faceplate of the Bassman chassis. The Bassman chassis should fit within the confines of a Super's cab however.

JD Newell could most likely build custom cab for you.

In your OP you said you don't want a kit but that is the way to go if you want a 5F4 and can settle for a narrow panel cab.

If it were me I'd use the Mojo kit, upgrade to a laquered tweed cab and use M150 caps in it instead of the Orange drops supplied. To me they sound more like a period correct cap.

If you bought the pieces, I'd be willing to melt the solder for you.....gratis. You just give an honest review of the workmanship on the FDP after you received the amp. You'd be looking at about a $1000-1100 investment and some shipping.

That being said, my favorite tweed circuit is the 5E8-A low power tweed Twin. These things in the sweet spot are just awesome.

If you are just playing at home and won't be gigging, any of the above amps will most likely exceed resonable "home" volume before they really give the goods. If your place(s) are like mine and there is no one to bother, these mid-size tweeds are a hoot to play through.

(This message was last edited by Hammond101 at 06:40 PM, Feb 13th, 2016)

Chris Greene
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Feb 13th, 2016 04:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hammond, first, thank you for that very generous offer! If you look at my profile, I have a variety of amps to choose from (though the two I've used most are stock Fender PCB tube amps - a tweed Pro Jr. and '65 Deluxe Reverb).

When I owned my Super, I gigged with it a lot. Didn't know a thing about it other than at had been recovered with black tolex and I had to have it serviced once. I suspect it would be too loud at home. When I run something like my Gibson L6S through the Pro Jr., I get the kind of break up at lower volume that I like. The '59 Harmony 305 also does a great job at low volumes.

I've just been sentimental recently for that long lost Super. I'd be ahead to forget all of it and buy a Road Worn Tele or something. Clay Hullett's rebuild of my '59 Bassman with the 2-4-8 ohm switch is probably my best alternative as is. It's really a marvelous amp and it's a shame Clay seems to have gotten out of the amp business otherwise I'd ask him to build me a Super.

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Feb 13th, 2016 05:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

No worries Chris. If you ever change your mind I'm not going anywhere.

I'm sentimental over a '67 Super Reverb I once owned and feel much the same way about it. I now enjoy playing my builds much more than factory amps so I doubt I will ever replace it.

I lost my ES-137 in a divorce and replacing that guitar is a higher priority.

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