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Mike in AZ

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Jan 8th, 2016 09:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I bought this 1966 mustang. Pictures are in line - still waiting to get it in my hands.

It was advertised (other than the pickups and switches and despite the refinishing) as a legit 1966 fender mustang. But looking at the patent codes on the headstock it would seem the decal is missing a patent number. And it's a super curly birdseye neck too. Is it possible this guitar had an alternate vendor decal (some of those are out there, so I've read) and was made with some earlier pre-cbs fender parts?

Here's the pics.

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https://reverb-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/a_exif/v1451078296/k0wzsyvo91axryt60qbg.jpg

https://reverb-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/a_exif/v1451079758/slq90u0htnhyenv3ig1x.jpg

https://reverb-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/a_exif/v1451078290/ggohuppgjwwquhh2fzhz.jpg

https://reverb-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/a_exif/v1417211163/aczbn8umhll9gkm00fty.jpg

https://reverb-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/a_exif/v1451078334/ioefh9djbad8tr7x0nff.jpg

https://reverb-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/a_exif/v1451079756/eqpjbnmvzmc4b2wftc6z.jpg

The original link to guitar

(This message was last edited by Mike in AZ at 12:27 AM, Jan 9th, 2016)

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Jan 9th, 2016 02:24 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The description says the neck was refretted and refinished in nitro. The decals are wrong. That is a warning sign that the neck is not original. Guitars like this (including the non-original pickups) don't carry true vintage value. In cases like this, the value is up to the buyer to determine.

Mike in AZ

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Jan 9th, 2016 10:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I am a lot more concerned about the decals than the refinish. I knew it was a refin - the ad stated that - but did not indicate that the neck was not original.

I know that there were fender decals missing a patent number with a overall gold color due to a clear coat, that were not frauds but were from a different vendor used during that first year or so of CBS takeover.

But if the decal is a fake fender decal, that ruins it for me 100%.

Do you believe it's not an actual fender decal?

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Jan 9th, 2016 05:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's not the *original*.

That's what you paid the premium for in the market.

Otherwise it's a partsocaster.

A lot of it looks wrong (having owned, played, and fixed a dozen Mustangs back when nobody wanted them).

Mike in AZ

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Jan 10th, 2016 08:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I paid $1075 for it, but from what you are saying I paid too much. From what you are saying it's not the original neck.

And that crosses the line for me; the ad did not state that the neck was not original, it implied that it was:

"Check out this awesome and unique Fender Mustang! It is a 1966 with a "B" neck that has some of the most crazy flame and birdseye I have EVER seen. Custom shop level stuff right here. I have never seen a vintage Fender neck like this. It has a nice full feel in the hands and plays incredibly well. It was refinished in nitro long ago (some checking apparent) and more recently refretted with frets ever-so slightly wider and taller than vintage. The body has a very old Pearl White refinish with lots of checking and some dings. It looks absolutely amazing next to the birdseye neck!"

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Jan 11th, 2016 07:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Even if it was all original, a refin '66 Mustang ain't worth that looking at price guides.

Once you go to refin and decal trashed, all bets are off.

I hope it plays well, because chances are you've got no recourse.




Mike in AZ

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Jan 12th, 2016 12:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well, it does play and sound great and the tremolo works really well too. So some money was invested in making this what it is.

I might have recourse; there's a shop down in tucson with some pretty knowledgeable fender guys. They've suggested I bring it in this afternoon and let them look at it. They'll tell me what's up, including whether the neck is original (or even a mustang neck) and what the guitar is worth.

If it's not legit I'll be taking it up with the seller.

Mike in AZ

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Jan 12th, 2016 06:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Seller is taking the guitar back.

He did send some photos showing pre-refinish. The neck looks like it had a (scratched up) 1966 fender mustang logo. They restickered the neck when they nitro'd it.

I'm staying away from vintage hereafter. Too much I don't know.

(This message was last edited by Mike in AZ at 12:38 AM, Jan 13th, 2016)

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Jan 31st, 2016 09:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Good move. Per the pics, $500-600 would be a fair price for the seller. "There's a shop down in Tucson..." Rainbow? Been there a bunch of times.

Even people known as experts in the antique guitar market have been fooled when doing an appraisal on a purported real-deal holy grail.

Some fakers are very very good at replicating age on and in guitars.

There are truckloads of money to be made.

I have a '65 Mustang I bought in the late 80s as a box of parts because the owner had planned on refinishing the crappy spray-can black that someone had blasted it with.

All the parts were there, and I paid $120 for it. It's not original (refin body and oversprayed neck with better tuners and replacement switches), but I bought it to play, not collect.

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 11:39 AM, Jan 31st, 2016)

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