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wborys
OldFartBassPlayerWalt

Robbinsville, NJ

what do you mean the bass is too loud?
Dec 23rd, 2015 10:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Reading interviews with Tom Petersson for the upcoming RnR Hall of Fame induction of Cheap Trick,
and he 'invented' it. (4 sets of 3 octave notes)

Can Anybody describe what it sounds like live, and
what function does he fill?

Since he uses bass AND guitar amps, I wonder if
he splits the sound into a pure bass, along with
distorted guitar-range upper notes.

Anyone?

oldFart4stringBassPlayer Walt

(This message was last edited by wborys at 12:51 PM, Dec 23rd, 2015)

mroulier
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Suburban MD.

Are your prayer beads maple or rosewood?
Dec 23rd, 2015 02:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The ending of "Jeremy" by Pearl Jam is the 'cleanest' example I can give you of a 12 string sound you may have already heard.
I had an 8 string bass for a bit. It was cool, but did not split the string's signal so it went thru my bass rig. It sounded like a piano more than it did a guitar and bass together.

mroulier
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Suburban MD.

Are your prayer beads maple or rosewood?
Dec 23rd, 2015 02:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here's Youtubage.
5:05 of this clip.

Jeremy

Juice Nichols
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Panama City, FL

Same ol **** but my hair's longer
Dec 23rd, 2015 05:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Wasn't the intro done with one as well?

Steve Dallman
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Merrill, Wisconsin

Age is just a number...mine is big
Dec 28th, 2015 11:14 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Cheap Trick recordings don't usually capture the 12 string well. Even live, the sound from the PA doesn't always get it. But sit in front of that side of the stage! (On record, the bass is often a 4 string.)

In live recordings of "Gonna Raise Hell" there is a bass solo after the drum solo. Pretty good representation.

Go to 6:45 on this...

Go to 6:45...

Steve Dallman
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Merrill, Wisconsin

Age is just a number...mine is big
Dec 28th, 2015 11:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Listen to this, from the beginning. Jon is sounding great.

1981 Gonna Raise Hell

Pro Reverb Man

Big Sky Country

Jan 15th, 2016 09:12 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I owned a Dean Hammer 10-string bass a few years ago. Really liked the tone... really wide harmonics, full blown bass sound.

Problem: hard to explain, but it became a sort of trademark stereotypical sound... and I didn't want to re-invent the bass lines on so much of our cover material

(Radar Love in 10-string bass sort of blew. that type of thing. Plus changing basses thru the course of the evening sucks on ice.)

Finally, it was gonna take custom string sets, and I change string too much for that expensive nonsense.

mroulier
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Suburban MD.

Are your prayer beads maple or rosewood?
Jan 15th, 2016 10:26 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That was Pete on that live clip, not Jon.

And the funny thing is, he apparently already told the band he was leaving before Chicagofest.

Interview with Pete Comita

Steve Dallman
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Merrill, Wisconsin

Age is just a number...mine is big
Jan 19th, 2016 09:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sorry, my bad. My (progressing) dementia hits again. I had completely forgotten about Pete Comita.

Steve Dallman
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Age is just a number...mine is big
Jan 19th, 2016 09:59 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

In the late 70's and early 80's I put together two 8 string basses. The first was a Fender Musicmaster. I moved the neck out about an inch, and routed the butt end for 4 guitar tuners and made a new pickguard. Originally I had an EMG SA strat pickup but ended up with a Shaller two coil humbucker.

Later I modded a Vox Phantom bass. I made a new bridge plate, sort of a Z affair with the octave tuners mounted on top of the plate. I had two Dimarzio J pickups in that bass.

I loved it in my three piece, but eventually went back to 4. It worked well in many songs, but not all.

For the last 9 years I've used a Line 6 Variax 5 string, and use the Hagstrom 8 string and Hamer 12 string models often. I like the Hagstrom more as it isn't as mid scooped as the Hamer. With other basses I use a Digitech Mosaic, a 12 string simulator, but the Line 6 still sounds better.

wborys
OldFartBassPlayerWalt

Robbinsville, NJ

what do you mean the bass is too loud?
Jan 25th, 2016 10:57 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

well I guess if Zep, Who, Jimi and Cream got by
OK without one, maybe owning one is not a high priority.


Basshappi

Tucson, AZ.

Jan 28th, 2016 09:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you really want to hear what the 12ver can do you need to listen to early Kings X. Dug Pinnick really brought the instrument into full flower in a rock context. But unlike Petersen and Amett, what Dug did that was so powerful was to split the signal and run one side clean for bass and the other distorted through a guitar amp. But instead of sounding like just a rhythm guitar the scale length of the bass give the tone a timbre that is unique.

The title track of "Dogman" is a very good example as is "Out Of A Silent Planet" from the album "Gretchen Goes To Nebraska.

Even then the albums do not do the 12ver justice, you have to hear Kings X live to really get it. The sound is a physical thing that is unlike anything else.

This website is devoted to the 12 string bass and there are links to players that are doing some impressive things with the instrument.

12 StringBass.net

(This message was last edited by Basshappi at 11:38 PM, Jan 28th, 2016)

Steve Dallman
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Merrill, Wisconsin

Age is just a number...mine is big
Jan 29th, 2016 02:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

wborys, On many of Jimi's recordings, he played bass, and favored a Hagstrom 8 string.

Listen close. He used it on Fire and many others. Noel Redding used it live on occasion.

JPJ in Led Zep used an Alembic 8 string live on occasion as well.

I was floored when I was listening to a remaster of Fire with earbuds and the octave strings on the bass just jumped out.

Hagstrom ad

(This message was last edited by Steve Dallman at 04:19 PM, Jan 29th, 2016)

Steve Dallman
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Merrill, Wisconsin

Age is just a number...mine is big
Jan 29th, 2016 02:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hendrix bought his Hagstrom 8 string in 1967. There are a few pics online of him playing it.

On Axis Bold as love, he used it on "Spanish Castle Magic" "You Got Me Floating" and "Little Miss Lover."

Jimi with 8 string

(This message was last edited by Steve Dallman at 04:52 PM, Jan 29th, 2016)

Basshappi

Tucson, AZ.

Jan 29th, 2016 04:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Listen to "Achilles Last Stand" from Led Zep's album "Presence", that is JPJ on his Alembic 8 string.

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