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Peegoo
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Oct 31st, 2015 02:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

And don't forget the Jazzmaster pickup. Brighter than a P90, but still with big, round midrange and plenty of bottom too.

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Nov 2nd, 2015 01:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The Gretsch Electromatic Double Jet has been on my list since I played one at a music store a few years ago. I believe it has Black Top Filtertrons. They had a nice tone, and I found the guitar to be easy to play, like my G3140, but in a smaller bodied package.
In my free-buying days I would've probably bought all the above mentioned guitars by now, but these days I'm on a one-for-one budget so I must choose carefully...


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Nov 2nd, 2015 02:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Smart.

FunkyKikuchiyo

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Nov 10th, 2015 11:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I thought I wasn't an HB person for a long time too. If I were you, I'd try to test some of the "chase the dragon" vintage PAF style pickups. Parson's Street, Seth Lovers, there are lots of them out there. When done right it almost sounds like a single coil in comparison to other humbuckers out there... a bit scooped, kinda hollow sounding... some non-vintage style HBs pull this off, but it is rare.

Also, be anal about setting string heights. Getting this right is more than the sum of its parts. Your chords/intervals become a lot less clunky when you really spend some time with this. Try to keep the pickup face parallel to the strings if possible, too.

Scotty D

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Nov 10th, 2015 07:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think Peegoo nailed the description of the WRHB's.

I had a '74 Thinline and now have a '75 Deluxe both with dual WRHB's. There's nothing quite like them. Quiet but sonically somewhere between a standard HB and a single coil. Janglier than an HB but not as twangy as a SC.

Might I humbly suggest a Tele Custom. WRHB in the neck, standard Tele PU in the bridge. Best of both worlds. Just ask Keith! ;-)

(This message was last edited by Scotty D at 09:35 PM, Nov 10th, 2015)

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Nov 10th, 2015 10:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Being a SC guy too, my arsenal is on the bright side ('57 Strat, '60 Guild SFIII with original Dearmond SC's, and a '78 Tele Deluxe with Seth Lover WRHB's). I love 'em all but have spent most of my time recently with the Tele. It is a great balance between bright and full, hence the wide-range description of course, plus hum-bucking. I did use the Strat last Sunday at church and it was a kick, but now seems a bit thin. The Dearmonds are wonderful but they do like to pick up all the noise that our church has to offer. Nevertheless, awesome.

I understand that Keith R's Tele has a Gibson HB, not an original WRHB in the neck position.

I also agree that after playing a Classic Player Jazzmaster that it is has great pups - full, bright and clear.

The reissue WRHB are allegedly just a regular HB put in a bigger cover filled with wax. IMO the longer scale of a Fender helps with brightness and snap, maybe more than the pups provide. 1 meg pots are sure to help too.

The original Seth Lover HB's used Copper/Nickel/Ferrite (CuNiFe) adjustable rod magnets with a fairly hot wind (about 10.5k). I am not by any stretch knowledgeable on pups but this was apparently Seth's formula for a Fender HB (bright and full).

Here's a YT link that provides a good demo of what they sound like.

I love the true Fender WRHB, but can't speak to the Fender re-issues from experience. I think the shape of the Tele body helps too ;)

Fender Original WRHB: Seth Lover's

(This message was last edited by Bigfoot at 11:01 PM, Mar 16th, 2016)

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Nov 11th, 2015 06:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Bigfoot...

this is a pretty good demo of the original wide range pups and 2 clones....

YTC in first post

Bigfoot

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Nov 11th, 2015 07:31 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi GF. I remember that demo and posting. It is well done. I still have a 1972 Fender picture catalog and price list with the Tele Deluxe. Always wanted one and finally picked one up about a year ago. Price list is no longer valid I learned......

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Nov 11th, 2015 09:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

yeah, too bad they didn't compare them with the Mexican or Japanese RI pups...maybe it would have muddled it up a bit...;-0

I've been fascinated by the wide range pups for a long time but could never pull the trigger on either a thinline or a deluxe...
its cool that you found one that spoke to you...

most of the ones I looked at just fit poorly in the neck pocket..that and I was leary of the 3 bolt neck..

so I did the next best thing....find a set of the pups for sale and put a guitar together around it..

i got lucky and it's worked out...

original single wide range pups have skyrocketed in price...there's one now on ebay for over 800 bucks

Scotty D

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Nov 11th, 2015 04:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Bigfoot, you are thinking of "Micawber" but Keith has spent a ton of time behind a Black '75 Tele Custom (with WRHB) as well!

Keith's guitars

Bigfoot

Indy

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Nov 12th, 2015 07:06 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Scotty, you're right. Sometime back I must have read an article on the Micawber. I did not know Keith has a '75 Tele Custom. That's a great article on Keith's equipment.

I learn so much at this forum.

GF, nice job on the Thinline! Must be difficult to decide which Tele to pick up and play from your arsenal. I imagine that pairing a Tele SC in the bridge with a mini HB is a good match.

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Nov 12th, 2015 03:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I imagine that pairing a Tele SC in the bridge with a mini HB is a good match."

yes sir...very difficult indeed...
and the mini has a coil split switch to boot!!

like choosing between a blond a brunette or a redhead...
you just can't go wrong...;-0


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Nov 16th, 2015 06:02 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I played a MIM '72 thinline at GC yesterday. I played it through a Blues Junior so I would want to use one of my amps to really test it, but from what I did hear, even the reissue WRHB's are quite different than any standard humbucker I've heard. And the '72 Thinline is quite different sounding than my Tele.

Although I still want to try a Jazzmaster Classic player for those P-90's, I think WRHB's have some tones I could definitely work with. Now it's just a matter of which WRHB-equipped guitar -

Thinline, Deluxe, Starcaster, or...?

Bigfoot

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Nov 16th, 2015 10:06 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The pups on the Classic Player Jazzmaster are actually not P90's but a hotter version of the original SC's. They have a flat and wide coil like a P90 but not the bar magnet underneath the poles.

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Nov 16th, 2015 01:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Put an Artec EXP in any humbucker guitar in place of the tone control and you'll get anything out of those humbuckers you want, from punchy humbucking mids to glassy, clearer than single coil tones. I put them in all my electrics and for $20 it is an amazing piece of tech.

Artec EXP

Steve Dallman
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Nov 16th, 2015 01:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Put an Artec EXP in any humbucker guitar in place of the tone control and you'll get anything out of those humbuckers you want, from punchy humbucking mids to glassy, clearer than single coil tones. I put them in all my electrics and for $20 it is an amazing piece of tech.

Artec EXP

swampyankee
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Nov 18th, 2015 05:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"The pups on the Classic Player Jazzmaster are actually not P90's"

True, and I'm not necessarily looking for P90's, but just a "fatter", gutsier single coil. I haven't tried a CP Jazzmaster, but from what I've heard, it soulds like it might do the trick. Plus, I've always dug the offset shape.

Bigfoot

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Nov 19th, 2015 05:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

SY, I too love the looks and the offset of the JM. I am a fan of the middle position on 2 pup arrangements and the JM to me is very sweet.

Sheesh, now I gotta go try one again....

PS: Wouldn't it be quite a sight to see a forward offset JM sitting on one of your stands next to a reverse offset Firebird - both in sunburst of course.

PPS: The middle position of the JM hum-bucks.

(edited for the hidden spelling error that I always include, sheesh!)

(This message was last edited by Bigfoot at 07:01 PM, Nov 20th, 2015)

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Nov 20th, 2015 06:31 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"PPS: The middle position of the JM hum-bucks."

True.

Also, it's one of those "tone from heaven" sounds.

Morgenholz

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Mar 5th, 2016 01:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

... perhaps this is not so encouraging... I've been trying to like them for forty years and still haven't found any that I like, or any humbucker-equipped guitar that stays around here for long-- Just gave one a last chance last night, and should only play it drunk-- it can hardly transduce what my fingers are doing and slurs everything. If I want sustain, I just pick up one of my 8lb. strats that sustains and hope for the best. Although I can appreciate listening to muddy, inarticulate music, I do not enjoy playing it.

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