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reverendrob
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Jul 5th, 2018 09:10 AM   Edit   Profile  

Keep in mind I haven't dug looking for the BF sound much (as I have that covered in the GT and Mustang V and HRD in house already!).

As far as size goes and whatnot, be aware it's a FULL 2U size unit, depth and all, it's not one of the half-or-less deep units that most modern stuff seems to be.

If you're already using PT, though, I'd grab one at the price they're going for - see how you like it, if not send it back.

reverendrob
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Jul 5th, 2018 09:12 AM   Edit   Profile  

I should note that the thing also apparently treats the rack like a plugin in PT from what the manual says at least in terms of control/taking note of things.

And you can dedicate one of the outs as a dry track if you want (as well as a digital dry), and re-amp through those saved settings.

reverendrob
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Jul 7th, 2018 03:38 AM   Edit   Profile  

And just for you, I dug through the Sweetwater patches (which include a bunch of baseline 'this is the amp' patches like the Mustang series, which was wise!)....

I was able to get credible BF Champ and Deluxe quickly (I have a ton of recordings from back in the day to compare to versus the actual, which is my usual dial-in point, as well as the BF Bassman). Bassman I couldn't quite get there, but I used a small homebrew closed-back 1x15 JBL that was particularly bright most of the time and I've yet to get a modeler that does *that* config right, but....it certainly can check the basic boxes.



ninworks
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Jul 7th, 2018 05:10 AM   Edit   Profile  

After having my Eleven Rack for a couple of years I can say that I am impressed with what it can do. I'm not as much about trying to make it sound exactly like a particular, real, amp, as I am about just getting quality sounds that respond to the touch how I like it to and get the sound that fits into what ever track I'm working with.

I have about 5 sounds that I have tweaked that I use most often. I record guitars and bass for a couple of friends that send me tracks occasionally and find myself scrolling through the sounds to find something that sits well in the track. I will find something that's close to what I want and then tweak it to taste.

This is one of a very few electronic sound generating devices, whether it be a signal processor or synth, that most of the presets sound very good. I would estimate about 80% are very good and of those a lot of them are excellent. Something I HAVE found is that even the ones that don't sound as good as I would have wanted them to, sound from better to great when playing different guitars through them. That gives me a very versatile selection of sounds to mix together.

Unlike my old Digitech GNX-3 modelers I can record multiple tracks of different sounds using different guitars and get some excellent blends and sound variations that work together well when tracking. The Digitech unit would not do that. It seemed that, with it, multitracking guitars using that unit turned things to mush and there was little to no separation between the tracks no matter how I tweaked the patches.

The Eleven Rack is also an A/D - D/A converter that works seamlessly with Pro Tools. The only drawback I can see is recording at higher sample rates, above 96kHz, is not possible. Even at that rate there are some hoops to jump through. It's an AVID thing. I am using Pro Tools 11 and there are sample rate limitations there as well but, there are workarounds that will get it done. I usually record at 44.1kHz anyway so it hasn't been an issue.

I just got a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and one of these days I am going to do a project at 192kHz just because I never have and I'm curious to see if I can distinguish a difference from 44.1k.

littleuch
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Jul 7th, 2018 06:21 AM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks for the replies gents, I went ahead and pushed an order through. One can never have too many pretty rectangular boxes in their studio in this day of virtual hardware.

ninworks
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Too Much GAS
Jul 7th, 2018 06:36 AM   Edit   Profile  

Oh, I forgot to mention, it has a blinking light on the front as well. :o)

reverendrob
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Jul 8th, 2018 06:46 AM   Edit   Profile  

And have them email the artist presets/amp preset pack to you, it's not on the site any more but they still have it and it works (and you can upload one at a time if you just want to check them out!)

littleuch
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Jul 12th, 2018 04:55 PM   Edit   Profile  

Received and installed today. I just had time to do a quick fly through the presets, we shall see. Ken, do you have the stand alone editor installed as well? I see all functionality in PT but think it would make sense to have the editor loaded to make off line tweaks, etc.

One thing I do wish is that this thing had a mute button so I didn't have to shutdown my powered monitors first before powering off the 11 rack. POP! Oy!

(This message was last edited by littleuch at 07:05 PM, Jul 12th, 2018)

reverendrob
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Jul 12th, 2018 07:22 PM   Edit   Profile  

Does turning the volume knob help?

(I don't have my monitors directly connected, so...)

Also: there's a mute button in the editor, and *might* be in the system settings somewhere.

(This message was last edited by reverendrob at 09:23 PM, Jul 12th, 2018)

littleuch
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Jul 13th, 2018 07:25 AM   Edit   Profile  

I just hooked up a separate power strip for my powered monitors, that way I can turned them on/off after the 11R has been powered on/off. The 11R's volume knob doesn't have the typical 0 to 10 detent, it's just a spinner, so I don't think there's any way to use it to prevent an explosive power up.

I called Sweetwater and asked about the artist/rig presets. I'm expecting a call back as the rep was checking into it, but I thought I sensed a little uncertainty to it's availability.

Juice Nichols
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Jul 13th, 2018 09:58 AM   Edit   Profile  

I had the opportunity to mix a guitar player at church who was using an Eleven Rack and thought that it sounded very good in that setting. Not quite as good as the Helix, but more than passible tone wise.

reverendrob
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Jul 13th, 2018 07:29 PM   Edit   Profile  

It's available, I had the same uncertainty.

Can email them to you if you'd like.


littleuch
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Jul 13th, 2018 07:34 PM   Edit   Profile  

Boom! Thanks Rob!

ninworks
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Jul 14th, 2018 04:58 AM   Edit   Profile  

"Ken, do you have the stand alone editor installed as well? I see all functionality in PT but think it would make sense to have the editor loaded to make off line tweaks, etc.


No, I don't. PT11 does not give access to it directly like the earlier versions. It does not offer it as a plug-in either. I have no idea why they eliminated it from the latest versions but, there is no reference to it whatsoever in PT11 or 12. That has forced me to learn to program the ER via the front panel controls.

It hasn't been a problem for me in that all I ever use it for is as a guitar amp. Once the tracks are recorded I'm done with it. If I wanted to change parameters on the fly I'll bet there's a way to do it. It's supposed to be fully MIDI compatible so SYSEX data should work. I'd just have to dig into the manual to figure it out. Not something I want to do when tracking. Maybe at mixdown. I hate technical distractions when I'm tracking a new song.

reverendrob
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Sep 20th, 2018 06:41 AM   Edit   Profile  

A followup after using the thing a while.

I'm still impressed.

When I want to dial something in with the options of things they've modelled, it's quick and painless and close enough or better than I expected.

It also may have spurred me to buy a tube Marshall for the first time, well, ever.


But whether it was noting a guy's settings on an actual Tweed Deluxe for Neil Young's "Dead Man" guitar burn and making a patch that was 98% there or better just by dialing it in by the numbers..or a bit ago on a whim when I wanted to see how close I could get to the original Sex Pistols studio stuff with the BF Twin cranked to ludicrous levels with a Les Paul.

I turned the knobs to 10 across the board (trem off), bright switch doesn't really matter at max everything, cranked the speaker distortion, and went with a brighter mic (ribbon or the condensers was spot on) and a VERY small amount of plate verb.

And it was there.

While I'm still using my other ones (particularly for variety, as one manufacturer's model, just as actual vintage amps, varies enough to blend well together if you've got the luxury of access to variants of the same thing)...it flies very well with my existing rig.

I won't be selling off my amps (hell, I bought another one since getting it!), and the effects section is limited as all get out compared to other things in my arsenal....but for what it does and how fast I can get something I want (whether shamelessly stealing a sound or 'I wonder what X would do'), well worth the $13 a month it's costing me for the next 20 months or so!


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Sep 20th, 2018 08:35 AM   Edit   Profile  

Good to hear. I've come to a bit of an arse-scratching fork in the road and haven't dug in for a while. But just noodling through presets and settings I feel confident that the orange box can deliver pretty much anything I need.

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GospelBilly!
Sep 20th, 2018 09:00 AM   Edit   Profile  

I bought an Eleven Rack used recently and really like it for direct recording, both guitar and bass.

Cal-Woody

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Sep 20th, 2018 09:59 AM   Edit   Profile  

As far as the pop when powering up or off, wouldn't you use it just like a mixer? Power the 11Rack up then turn on your speakers/amp and reverse the sequence when powering down? That's all I've got.
A friend of mine has one of these and the different artist settings are very realistic and the way they behave with the guitar is quite astounding! Really nice!

littleuch
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Sep 20th, 2018 10:13 AM   Edit   Profile  

"As far as the pop when powering up or off, wouldn't you use it just like a mixer? Power the 11Rack up then turn on your speakers/amp and reverse the sequence when powering down?"

Yep, that is correct. Just something to remember after years of having my previous audio interfaces mute any power up mishaps.

stinger22

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Nov 20th, 2018 02:33 PM   Edit   Profile  

Sweetwater has a Black Friday deal for $199. If you ever thought about pulling the trigger now is the time. This is a steal!!! May order one just to have a spare!

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ElevenRackSP--avid-eleven-rack-special-edition-includes-pro-tools-first?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=dynamic&&utm_content=prodviewvalue&utm_term=dnf-single&fbclid=IwAR2Ls6OtPyNHDky9XWdY4ujEO58uOxk8V0V1xczywpQbpawZ1tuCDS0oPbE

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