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Mick Reid
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Jul 19th, 2015 11:08 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

about the neck pickup uncovered that is.

Wow! What a difference!!!

For those of you that aren't already sick of me raving about the CV Thinline bargain I just picked up...

So far I've loved everything about it but just couldn't get on with the tone of the neck pickup.

I was considering another Twisted Tele but there's no one in AUS with any in stock (sets but no singles) and to buy from US was just going cost too much.

Plan B was to "drop in" one of the many strat pickups I have, but the CV's won't accept one without routing the body and guard. (even without the cover)

So I thought, before spending any (more) money, I'll try taking the nickel cover off the stock pup.
Out comes the hair dryer and a bit of easy does it, and... voilĂ !!

It's like chalk and cheese! Makes you wonder why they put the covers on in the first place.

With the cover off it just comes alive. It leans more toward Stratty, but that's not a bad thing for my tastes.

Had I thought of this earlier, I wouldn't have bought the Twisted Tele set for the CV 50's Tele!

Oh well, live & learn. The TT's *are* great and now give me 2 distinctly different sounding Teles.

More adventures in Tele-ology coming up...
Stay tuned!

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 08:06 AM, Jul 20th, 2015)

Tony Salieri

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Jul 20th, 2015 09:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I can't begin to imagine how removing the metal cover from a PUP would affect its sound.

/joke

Seriously, I've wondered about that for quite a while. There's probably a good reason why G&L leaves their ASAT single coil neck PUPs uncovered.

And there's probably a good reason why so many manufacturers use the metal cover.

Mick Reid
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Jul 20th, 2015 04:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Tony -
I can't help but think there's a "tradition and aesthetics" component to it, but that's purely IMO.

As for the G&L's, those MFD pickups are very high output compared to "regular" single coils within the same range of specs. (DCR as a starting point)

Also,the Twisted Tele neck has a cover on it and it sounds great.
It obviously is more about what's "under" the cover. Some work, others, not so much.

Peegoo
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Jul 20th, 2015 05:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The metal cover acts as a Faraday cage to help reject RF in the signal line.

But metal covers often do add capacitance to the coil, and that does affect the highs.

spud1950
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Jul 20th, 2015 05:56 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

True, but only when the metal cover is connected to ground,as is the case with traditionaly made Tele neck pickups.Check the attached link.Ground wire is soldered to pickup cover tab.If the cover came off with just hair drier heat and without having to unsolder such a connection,I doubt it had a ground connection.

Here

(This message was last edited by spud1950 at 07:58 PM, Jul 20th, 2015)

Mick Reid
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Jul 20th, 2015 07:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

spud -
The cover was grounded. I de-soldered it before heating it up with the hair dryer.
I just omitted that step on my post.

PG -
I wondered about the Faraday effect. Now I know!


spud1950
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Jul 20th, 2015 07:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Aha!Yes,grounded metal covers bleed off highs.

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Jul 20th, 2015 08:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

They don't always, but often do.

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Jul 22nd, 2015 02:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a PRS Santana SE, and the previous owner had metal pickup covers installed. I thought it was lacking in highs so I removed them. Sounds better now with highs increased.

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Jul 22nd, 2015 02:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

With a Tele, the covers and bleeding off highs was intentional with the early designs.

Personally, I like the contrast between a Tele bridge and the covered neck pup. Makes the middle position seem a lot "wider" to me.

eddy8dynamite

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Jul 22nd, 2015 02:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"With a Tele, the covers and bleeding off highs was intentional with the early designs.

That would answer a question I had of why the original design didn't have both the neck & bridge pickups covered or uncovered. Thanks.

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Jul 22nd, 2015 04:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I can't fathom why you would want a tele and then try to make it sound like a strat,

Why not just buy another strat,

The whole point of a tele is it sounds like a tele! Ice pick bridge, and the neck pickup contrasts it well,

I'm not saying your wrong for doing it I just cant see the point,



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Jul 22nd, 2015 04:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well, a guitar is just an intensely personal thing.

There is nothing to "understand" when it comes to another player's likes. It is what it is--to the individual player.

As an example, I've played a few Burns guitars, and they (to me) are total clunkers; they have a clunky feel. I have to work harder to sound halfway decent on one. I would never own one just to have one around.

But I don't dissuade anyone from trying 'em because there have been many players that like 'em and play 'em, and make great music that I enjoy listening to.

Inspiration comes from many places.

Mick Reid
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Jul 22nd, 2015 06:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My intent was not to "Stratify" a Tele, but to get a usable tone out of the neck (at least usable to me). Despite my using the term "Stratty" as a comparison, it still sounds like a Tele to me. Just with a more open sounding neck pickup.

I agree that the middle position sounded good but I like using the neck pup alone and if it sounds too dark or lifeless when I'm there, I'm not going to be happy with it.

Don't forget, as good as the stock Tonerider pickups are in the CV's, they're not FCS or SD's or DiM's.

Removing the cover was as much an economic solution as a tonal one for me.
And of course, completely reversible if I choose.

If I could have justified the extra expense I'd have got a Nocaster, Velvet T or something else like that.

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Jul 23rd, 2015 03:48 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Don't forget, as good as the stock Tonerider pickups are in the CV's, they're not FCS or SD's or DiM's."


This could well be the elephant in the room. I've never even played any of the less expensive Tele's. I have a MIM Tele, ash with N3's but that's as inexpensive as I have. Everything else is USA and therefore, the neck pups with covers may be a totally different experience. I did buy a $1,000 60's MIM nitro Strat and was unhappy with the pickups. Changed them to 57/62's.



Tony Salieri

Houston, Texas

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Jul 23rd, 2015 10:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I had one of the cheapest telecopies you could get, a Jay Turser JT50. The covered neck PUP was awesome, IMO. Using the tone control* it would produce just about any sound, from thick rhythm to airy jazz.

*The tone control was a very pleasant surprise for cheap MIC **left-handed** guitar--It actually had the correct & full sweep!

mr.gibson

Hamilton, Canada

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Jul 28th, 2015 07:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"""The metal cover acts as a Faraday cage to help reject RF in the signal line."""


Easy for YOU to say...............

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