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FDP Forum / The Chop Shop / Guitar solo's: Fretboard self-indulgences. Or Genious Improv?

avsalesman

Australia

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May 15th, 2015 04:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I found an excellent blog on the above topic. Well worth 10 minutes of your time if you play lead.

Make your solo count!

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May 15th, 2015 08:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Couldn't have said it better myself. I don't completely agree with the way he projects his thoughts on WHY someone played something a certain way. I think that most of the time, at least for me, it's just trying to find something that fits the mood of the music. If the song is done well the lyrics will echo the emotional content of the music and the whole is bigger than the sum of the parts. After all...that's what a good song is anyway.

His blog is a good read though.

(This message was last edited by ninworks at 10:12 PM, May 15th, 2015)

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May 16th, 2015 01:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I pretty much just skimmed the article but the guy sounds like he's on the right track.

The older I get the more critical I become on guitar soloing. I'm not against soloing but at this point I need to hear some musicality and you're not going to get that every time with a rock or blues wanker.

The jazz guys pretty much know what they're doing and usually come out sounding pretty good.

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May 17th, 2015 07:12 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The writer does in this article precisely what he declaims about guitar solos: he takes forever to make his point and uses all the palaverous riffs he knows. Get to the point, dude.

:o)

themaestro
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May 17th, 2015 08:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I listened to some jazz on the radio late last night, while making the drive from Kansas City to Wichita. This article popped into my head while listening. I decided that self-indulgent technical showoff-ery is not just the domain of guitarists.

The sax solo devolved from the initial melody into just a bunch of how-many-notes-can-I-play highly technical wankery. I know that this is often expected in jazz, but it also reminded why I kind of lost interest in jazz years ago.

Call me shallow, but give me a nice tight pop song any day.



Power Trio

NYC

May 18th, 2015 10:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

the hardest thing I find that my students cant grasp are that the pauses are just as effective as the notes.

the music needs to breathe.

when I work on solos with them I try to make them think of being a butterfly and not a hornet. in the end they get to the same flower but which one will be remembered most when they get there.

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May 18th, 2015 12:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think I'm guilty of fret board Wankdom at least 55% of the time!, Not because I'm out trying to show off my meager skills but because I think in my mind I'm used to hearing what a solo is supposed to sound like. The late BB king however did a great job of letting a solo breathe.

At an open mic last week I was handed a compliment by a guy that thanked me for not soloing while the vocals were happening, he told me the guitar player sitting in with them the week before NEVER stop playing leads! even while the singing was going on. Umm, that is exactly what 90% of Harp players also do at these kinds of things, I'm very cautious about letting a harp player sit in when I'm up for this very reason.

The luxury of rehearsing vs jamming on the spot is a prime factor for me as well, sometimes you're called to fill up 12 bars of space. It's easy to start playing riff after riff and not really go anywhere "musically". Playing some slide guitar has helped me slow down and think about were and how to insert my phrases. Bonnie Raitt, Lowell George, and Steve Perry are the best examples I can think of for some great "less is best" lead work.

(This message was last edited by scott-s at 04:44 PM, May 18th, 2015)

larryguitar19
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larryguitar
May 18th, 2015 06:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I hear what the guy is saying. But there are times when"more is better".

I offer Exhibit A...

Double Trouble

(This message was last edited by larryguitar19 at 08:51 PM, May 18th, 2015)

Vic Vega
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May 18th, 2015 10:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Harp players also do at these kinds of thing"

Seriously. Don't get me started!

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May 18th, 2015 11:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'll make one exception for a Harp player, and her name is Lacey like the underwear, that's what she told me when I first asked her what her name was! I said heck ya you can play with me! come on up! She couldn't sing but she wasn't a half bad blues harp player!

Power Trio

NYC

May 19th, 2015 09:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

for the most part I find it a real hassle to play with harp players as they feel they need to take up every available space.

I call them spot light wanna bees

now i say "some what" b/c a real seasoned harp player
knows how to do it just right and interject when the music calls for it and with them its fun to get a call and answer jam going

what I do if I don't know them or haven't played with them in the past is set the ground rules up front.

if they break the rules out they go and we wont ask him/her back up again.

as far as playing with the guitar solo thru the whole song guys I turn down or just walk off.

ive been doing this too long to get into a pissing contest with any one

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May 19th, 2015 09:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A song is like a garden. If there's a flower occupying every square inch, it's more difficult to enjoy the flowers.

Vic Vega
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May 19th, 2015 02:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"for the most part I find it a real hassle to play with harp players as they feel they need to take up every available space."

Yup. Them and Carlos Santana. It drives me insane.

Power Trio

NYC

May 20th, 2015 07:35 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I played with a harp player about 20 or so years ago who took lessons off Sonny Terry in his Queens Apartment back in the day.

now this guy could blow some harp and knew how to
play along with others.

The last I heard he was living in San Diego and id love to jam with him again.

Id google him but I cant remember his last name for the life of me.


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