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mr.gibson

Hamilton, Canada

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May 2nd, 2015 03:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

1) Could you wire any 2 single-coil pickups together and make a humbucker? 2 Teles, etc.?

2) What if you mixed unmatched pickups, say a Tele and a something-else?

3) Is it possible to wire more than two together in the same fashion, ie. 3 or 4 single coils?

"Somebody" has to wonder about these things.......

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May 2nd, 2015 04:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Could you wire any 2 single-coil pickups together and make a humbucker? 2 Teles, etc.?"

Isn't that what happens in position 2 & 4 on a Strat and position 2 on a Tele?

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May 2nd, 2015 04:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

1. Yes, if the magnetic poles on one of the coils are reversed from the other coil. The closer the coils are to each other, the more hum it bucks.

2. Sure, you can mix anything together and it will work. *How* well it works is totally up to the individual though. Some pickups sound good when paired with odd ducks. Some don't. Balancing the volumes is also a consideration because of differing power factors.

3. Sure, but same as #2 above: sometimes it works, and sometomes not so wonderful. I have a Strat that has a vol and tone control--and no pickup selector. That's because I have all three single coils wired in series. Does it sound great? No. Does it sound bad? No. But I don't play it very often--if that's any indication.

Mighty Mite issued a three-coil pickup in the early 80s, called the Motherbucker. More is better, right? Well, not really. How many triple-coil pickups are we seeing in high-end guitars these days?

mr.gibson

Hamilton, Canada

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May 2nd, 2015 04:56 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

...and furthermore.................

.....are the pickups used in humbuckers different in any important way from single coils in single coil guitars???

Mick Reid
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May 2nd, 2015 05:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Peegoo,

re: "three single coils wired in series..."
"...I don't play it very often..."

Why not rewire it to something more "traditional"?

I'm sure otherwise it's a fine guitar if you built it. It's a shame not to play it, don't you think?

Or is it too many guitars, so little time?

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May 2nd, 2015 06:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Mick, I have Strats with traditional wiring to play. I keep this one as it is to satisfy my curiosity, as well as pop the hood on it and fiddle with the wiring.

Mick Reid
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May 2nd, 2015 10:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"...as well as pop the hood on it and fiddle with the wiring."

So the guitar equivalent of a medical cadaver...

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May 3rd, 2015 07:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Exactly...sort of: except these subjects are... [pause while the Vincent Price creepy danger music begins] still *alive*.


I have three guitars I use for that stuff--to see if certain pickup combinations work, etc.

mr.gibson

Hamilton, Canada

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May 3rd, 2015 10:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

""So the guitar equivalent of a medical cadaver...""

LOL................... Good one.

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May 3rd, 2015 12:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Back in the mid 70's I started rewiring pickups, first adding coil cut functions to humbuckers in the Les Pauls in our band, and then series/parallel switches, and wiring Strat pickups in series with switching.

I found wiring the middle and bridge of a Strat in series came rather close to humbucking tone...as close as cutting a coil in a humbucker comes to single coil tone.

Mismatched pickups as Peegoo describes, will work as humbuckers, but may not completely eliminate hum but will be quieter than a single coil. Many great humbuckers have slightly mismatched coils which adds sparkle and high end clarity.

Cal-Woody

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May 3rd, 2015 12:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Fender still has a Tri-coil pickup that fits a std. humbucker routing.
It may be a neat idea to fiddle with.
At least they used to. ...

Memory fades often, but it keeps me amused!

SMark

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May 3rd, 2015 04:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Lace Sensors are quiet in and of themselves, so mismatching coils together has been a part of what Lace Dually tone is all about. The Lace Drop and Gain set uses a bridge pickup with one coil of ~15k and another of ~9k. The neck pickup uses one coil of ~9k and another of ~6k. The more famous Blue/Gold Dually is one ~12k coil with another of ~6k. I have matched together my own Lace Sensors in ways that Lace hasn't even tried. It's kind of fun really...

Achase4u

U.S. - Virginia

May 4th, 2015 08:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"
.....are the pickups used in humbuckers different in any important way from single coils in single coil guitars???"

In some minor ways, they can be. To make it specific, look at strat and tele pickups. A tele bridge after 1950 usually had around .470" space between the flats for the wire to reside. Strats less than that. Tele necks around half an inch.

PAFs are only about 1/4" inch in wire height area. They end up being around 5000 turns and build up more quickly laterally.

Other than that, they were 42g plain enamel like Tele bridge pickups. Thats where the similarity ends though.

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