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FDP Forum / The Chop Shop / Another how do you play this chord?

shunka

Willoughby, OH , USA

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Apr 23rd, 2015 10:54 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One of the songs that my church group plays includes a chord that is printed as Csus2#4. I'm sure that it's probably some 1st pos., open string weird "cowboy chord" but every grip I've tried sounds like crap.
My brain says it's a D9/C.
I'm thinking, low to high, CDGCF# or CF#GDE. I can do an open E or maybe a G on the 6th string.

urby
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Apr 23rd, 2015 11:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'll take a stab. From low to high G-C-D-G-C-F#. Cowboy chord, but pick your inversion.

shunka

Willoughby, OH , USA

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Apr 23rd, 2015 02:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

'Zactly what I'm thinking,but it still sounds bad.
Beginning to wonder if it isn't some kind of Mu chord.

urby
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Apr 23rd, 2015 04:21 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What are the other chords in the progression?

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Apr 23rd, 2015 05:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

EADGBE
X3OO13

Does that fit?

Te 52

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Apr 23rd, 2015 05:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I would strongly question whether the original chord was named correctly. Sus2#4 is really getting into the tall weeds.

But if you just want a voicing of C D F# and G that doesn't sound too awful, I'd go with

E A D G B e
x 3 x 0 3 2

As urby says, it would help to have some context, e.g., what comes before and after.

Peegoo, your voicing doesn't have the F#, maybe you meant fret 2 on the top string?

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Apr 23rd, 2015 05:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes, that should read

EADGBE
230013

DoH!

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Apr 23rd, 2015 05:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well Csus2#4 doesn't follow any convention I know.

If it's a sus chord, it usually means the 3rd is dropped and 2 or 4 note is replaced on top of it. Csus4 or Csus mean the same thing, replace the 3rd with a 4th. Csus2 means replace the 3rd with a 2nd.

Whatever, there should be no 3rd (e) in the chord.

If it means what we all think it means it should be notated Csus2 Add #4.

This is obviously harmonic nonsense.

I'd suggest forming the chord third over the melody note being played at that time.

Lee


Tyrone Shuz

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Apr 23rd, 2015 07:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Te 52 has it right, I'd bet the farm on it. That's the voicing I immediately thought of was well (2nd chord in Dear Prudence, also in Seagull by Bad Co, and a brief appearance in Thank You by Zep).

Tyrone Shuz

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Apr 23rd, 2015 08:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

As for the name, I read it Csus2 (which is C, D, G) and then stick an F# on top.

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Apr 24th, 2015 01:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Kind of embarrassed to admit it but after Te52 posted his voicing and sleeping on it I remember that chord being used in "Stairway to Heaven"!

It makes me wonder what the chord was was called in their sheet music? I really, really wonder... 8v)

Te 52

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Apr 24th, 2015 01:56 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Kind of reminds me of a 9#11 chord, very popular in jazz from Ellington onward, or a less jazzy polychord D|C.

For a jazz tune in C, a D|Cmaj7, arpeggiated low to high, is almost a cliche ending.

Can't easily get all the notes in those at once on guitar, but can be approximated thusly:

C9#11
E A D G B e
x 3 2 3 3 2

D|C
E A D G B e
x 3 2 0 3 2

Added: in the notation D|C indicating a polychord, it should be understood that the second chord listed is the lower one, the first chord listed is the upper one. It's more obvious if you literally write it as "D over C" like a mathematical fraction, but can't do that on a computer keyboard.

(This message was last edited by Te 52 at 06:21 PM, Apr 24th, 2015)

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Apr 24th, 2015 01:56 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

How about calling it Cadd9b5?

(This message was last edited by urby at 04:04 PM, Apr 24th, 2015)

Te 52

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Apr 24th, 2015 04:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you notate the F# pitch as a #4, there can still be a natural 5 present (G). If you write the pitch as a b5, you can't have a G natural. So it all depends on the sound the composer is after.

shunka

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Apr 27th, 2015 12:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm betting that this was written by a piano player with limited guitar knowledge trying to make it simple for guitar players. Either that or someone who was experimenting with weird chord voicings and looking for an excuse to use one. BTW, the melody with this chord is G F# G, and the chord resolves to C in the next measure.

gdw3

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Apr 28th, 2015 04:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

In that case, I'd leave the #4 completely out of it. You're creating dissonance in a chord when the melody is only using it as a passing tone. Unless is really hangs on to that note for a while....

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