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littleuch
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Apr 20th, 2015 04:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm kinda baffled by my inability to monitor stereo inputs. It has 2 channels that can be assigned as a stereo track and record it as such, but monitoring through cans or speakers comes up mono (each channel plays mono straight up). Using the Mbox Mini as just an audio interface/input independent of Pro Tools without any UI panning controls is kind of a drag.

Achase4u

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Apr 20th, 2015 10:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Are you monitoring through pro tools? Or are you using the so called "direct monitoring" from the interface itself? This usually has less latency. It also means it will have its own monitoring channel strip somewhere to control level and pan of the monitoring section. This is how I track as well. Are you sure there isn't a UI ? There isn't software for the interface?

littleuch
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Apr 21st, 2015 07:26 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I monitor through Pro Tools when in pro tools, but the results are the same as just using the mini as a direct monitor interface. You have 2 inputs; one Xlr that also has a center 1/4" in. Input/channel 2 has a 1/4" in. A gain knob for each channel and a "mix" knob. With the mix knob fully left you only get input from channels 1 and 2 in monitors/cans. Fully right is your playback. Between the two you have your headphone/speaker mix. This is the knob I use when tracking to get a good headphone/monitor mix for what I'm recording with the playback tracks. No pan. The only UI is a graphic of the device that allows you to adjust sample rate and buffer size. The inputs have buttons for DI & Mic/Line levels (I leave them popped out for "Line"). If I engage the DI buttons I get channel 1 only. I tried every combination of TS, TRS cables I can think of. No joy.

Maybe I have a hardware issue, but honestly all the googling and posting on Avid forums has yielded no real results. Without a comprehensive UI that has panning control I can't see how this would function properly anyway. I certainly wouldn't want channel one left side only when recording any mono tracks. I'm guessing there may be a mapping I/O solution in Pro Tools I've yet to discover, but you'd think an audio interface should be functional as a stand alone device for stereo inputs. Weird.

(This message was last edited by littleuch at 09:28 AM, Apr 21st, 2015)

littleuch
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Apr 21st, 2015 11:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

So I found an odd thing. I navigated Control Panel-Hardware and Sound-Sound-Recording Tab-right clicked Line 1/2 Avid Mbox Mini-Properties-Listen Tab and found "Listen to this device" unchecked. Once checked I was able to use the Mbox "Mix" button to toggle between direct monitoring (mono) and playback monitoring, which comes through in stereo. However, the latency is so wicked in playback I find it unusable, even dropping the buffer down to 64. Actually, changing buffer sizes any way seems to make no difference. Then I discovered with this change that the Mbox would not allow me to change sample rate. So I restored everything back to square one and am going to deal with the mono input thing like I have for the past 2 years, lol. I've already previously replaced the Mbox driver 3 times for quirky issues, including a fizz followed by a total loss of audio. I may see a Focusrite in my near future.

Edit to add: Apparently checking listen to this device "routes the incoming audio through the Mbox Mini MME driver, controlled by windows, and then back out", which is why the dramatic latency.

(This message was last edited by littleuch at 01:44 PM, Apr 21st, 2015)

Achase4u

U.S. - Virginia

Apr 22nd, 2015 08:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hmmm. If you go for another interface, and its not something pro level, at least consider one that is feature rich.

My Octa capture by Roland serves as my interface - and while the preamps and converters are on par with most mid level stuff(that is to say, they don't knock me off my feet in a good way) it DOES serve a great utilitarian purpose. I can control all of the aspects of the Roland from the little screen or from my PC. I have 8 ins and outs - preamps are both xlr and 1/4" balanced. I can send out 4 headphone mixes via the hardware out and control levels of each of the incoming 8 signals individually on each of the mixes. Or have one master mix.

There are pan controls and reverb monitoring(not printed to tape) and levels etc. Makes it nice to make a headphone mix with while recording. No real latency that I can hear there...

(This message was last edited by Achase4u at 11:03 PM, Apr 22nd, 2015)

littleuch
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Apr 23rd, 2015 07:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've pretty much confirmed that the Mbox does not allow stereo direct monitoring. You have to launch Pro Tools, assign a stereo track and pan the Mbox Mix knob from input (direct monitoring) to playback. There you get stereo (and any complimentary latency to go along with it). With the recent addition of a Boss GT-001 it makes auditioning patches kind of a PITA. Doable but clunky.

The Octa Capture looks really nice Aaron. It certainly redirects my attention from the Focusrite grade boxes. I wonder if it plays nice with Pro Tools.

(This message was last edited by littleuch at 09:31 AM, Apr 23rd, 2015)

Achase4u

U.S. - Virginia

Apr 23rd, 2015 04:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yea, that's the only way to stereo monitor if your interface doesn't have a mix panel.

I think it depends on your version of pro tools... I'm really not sure on that one... give things a good looking into. I might check around too.

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