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Jeff Scott

On a spinning rock

Apr 4th, 2015 08:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One of the Aguilar Tone Hammer amps (350 or 500) and your choice of cabs.

HeavyDuty
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Apr 5th, 2015 09:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A few years playing Eden I came back home and went all G-K. Their MB-500 is a great small head and I have and like both their Neo 4x10 and their Neo 1x12 cabs (I have two of these.) I also have an MB200 for use with just one of the 1x12s.

Lightweight, modular, reasonable prices, gigworthy and great tone.

Steve Dallman
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Merrill, Wisconsin

Age is just a number...mine is big
Apr 6th, 2015 08:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I used to gig with a GK1001RB but never really bonded with the GK tone. I also used a GKMB115 at church which had the same basic GK tone. Many just love it.

I have used a PF-500 head and speakers I built for the past couple years, and Ampeg tone does it for me.

Used PF-350's are pretty cheap and that head is very reliable. Earlier PF-500's had some problems, but newer are fine. My first one died, but this one has been great. The PF-800's don't have the problems. If my head went down, I wouldn't hesitate to get another or upgrade to an 800.

Rumbles are fine and sell like hotcakes.

Class D and neo brought weights down which I appreciate more every year, but I am a geezer with arthritis.

BonkersBass

Tejas

Do'in the 5 string thing!
Apr 6th, 2015 11:29 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Man, if you can find an Ampeg PF-500 with a 1x15 and a 2x10 cabinet in decent shape for $500, I'd say your search is over (if you have $500 anyway!). That would be a rig you could use pretty much anywhere. I gigged for years with an SVT 4 Pro and a similar Ampeg cabinet configuration, and it worked very well.

tom house

Minnesota

Apr 7th, 2015 12:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just be careful with used Ampeg PF-500 heads, there were lots of issues with the first few runs of them ... most users report the issues have now been addressed ... the PF-350 never seemed to have the issues

Steve Dallman
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Merrill, Wisconsin

Age is just a number...mine is big
Apr 7th, 2015 07:36 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

They are up to Rev J on PF-500 circuit boards. Reportably, the percentage of problem PF-500's was no higher than other amps, but the huge numbers sold made for a larger number of failures by comparison.

True, PF-350's and now PF-800's did not suffer similar failures.

My first PF-500 failed the second time I turned it on. The replacement has been great.

I paid the same thing for my PF-500 as I did for my SVT head (used) in 1975...$350. Only in 1975, I made $70 a week.

A big deal was made when Peavey cracked the $1 per watt barrier with the CS-800 around 1978. Now, $1 a watt is rather high in many cases.

Bubbalou
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THE LOW END OF UPPER TEJAS
Apr 17th, 2015 11:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

swampyankee, try several and get one that speaks to you

Tony Wright

Stillwater, OK

Built for comfort, not for speed.
Apr 18th, 2015 11:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Steve and I visited and based on my current needs, I selected the Ampeg PF350. While I will use it with my Carvin RL210T that I have had for over 10 years...I plan to find a new cabinet with NEO 10s. The Ampeg SVT210AV is currently leading the pack.

I still have my GK MB210 and love it a lot, but I need to have two rigs because I need (or is it "I want"?) to leave one at the rehearsal space of band "2" and take the GK to band "1" rehearsals.



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What It Was!

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Apr 22nd, 2015 07:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I am comfortable with my GK MB210 combo (first generation). It weighs in around 35 pounds and puts out 350 Watts thru the internal 2-10s. If I need more, I can send out 500 Watts by adding an 8 Ohm extension cabinet."

This! It covers 75% of club gigs fine, and has a line out as well. Sometimes I use the GK 1x15" ext cab - outdoor shows, etc. - but really not needed if you run it direct. I bought both pieces B-stock from GC online for around 800.

Plus side of getting the extension cab: it's 30 +/- lbs. too. So you can load-in with one in each hand and looks like a total badass ; ) ~


Steve Dallman
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Merrill, Wisconsin

Age is just a number...mine is big
May 12th, 2015 08:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The Ampeg SVT210AV is a lightweight cabinet (26lbs) but the speakers are not neo but ceramics. At 100 watts each speaker, they are just not that heavy for ceramics.

I used an Ampeg Pro 7 (1000 watt Class D head) into a 2X10 Carvin neo cabinet last supper for a rehearsal. We played the gig in the same place as the rehearsal where I used my PF500 and 12" cabinets. (the heads were interchangeable tone wise at the volumes we played at.)

The Carvin performed well. I had plenty of volume and punch for our rather loud three piece without PA support. It was a long rehearsal (5 hours) and the cabinet strangely was changing in tone after a few hours. It got more "blurry" in the low end and lost the tight bottom it started with.

The next week, I plugged it in again and it sounded fine.

What caused the change? Was it heat? It wasn't my ears...we weren't that loud.

I have not ever heard speakers change in tone over several hours of use, then sound fine the next time. I'm still convinced it was a heated magnet issue, but the speakers recovered when cooled.

I only own one neo speaker...a Carvin 15 and it hasn't ever done that.

hushnel
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Apr 24th, 2016 11:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Since 1985 I've used a SWR Studio 220 with the 4X10 Goliath cab. I had some trouble with it in the beginnig but eventually found a cold solder on a board and it has worked fine ever since.

About 4 or 5 years ago a buddy of mine who owned a music store sold me a Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 for a little over his cost, he had it for a year and just wanted to get rid of it. I added a Hartke 15 to the assembly so I could utilize the available 900 watts if I ever needed to, and I haven't so far. I picked up a 2X10 Neo SWR cabinet around the same time to lighten the load, the old Goliath is heavy. It was made back when David Eden was still making them for Steve.

The Shuttle 9.0 and the SWR 2X10 Neo are all I've used in the last few years. At a total of 42 lbs It's one trip to load in.

dg27

Long Island City, NY

Apr 30th, 2016 10:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've been looking at the Ampeg PF-350.

Was glad to see that the problems seem to be confined to PF-500s.

I only used the 350 a few times but really liked it.

(This message was last edited by dg27 at 12:25 PM, Apr 30th, 2016)

Steve Dallman
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Merrill, Wisconsin

Age is just a number...mine is big
May 3rd, 2016 12:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The percentages of PF-500's that failed were small. Remember that amp was the best selling bass head in the country for a few years, so the numbers sold was high.

Ampeg got the bugs worked out. The newer ones have no such problems. The PF-800, which has the same preamp, has had no history of similar problems. I'd have no qualms buying another PF-500, although I may pass on used heads, unless I could open it up and see the revision letter.

If you like the tone of an Ampeg, get an Ampeg. GK tone is far different but just as iconic. A Rumble would fall between the two as would Carvin.

Johnny Alien

Harrisburg, PA

Jun 16th, 2016 05:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I played a B-100R for years in some punk bands. I played in small and medium sized venues with no problems. It's louder than the specs seem to show and with proper DI and mics I never had any issue being loud enough for myself or the crowd.

Bubbalou
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THE LOW END OF UPPER TEJAS
Jun 18th, 2016 01:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you use an Aguilar amp let me say they have excellent tone but I suggest you use speakon speaker connections as a friend used a speakon to 1/4" for an older speaker and he did not push it in all the way which shorted the amp and took the output transistors out. The GK 700 RBII on the other hand has built in short protection.

BrentD
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Jun 20th, 2016 06:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A local place has a new PF-500 on sale for $189.99. The deals are out there.

The Rumble V3s do a fair vintage interpretation, too.

Steve Dallman
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Merrill, Wisconsin

Age is just a number...mine is big
Jun 20th, 2016 11:09 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

FYI, The trend on other big bass forums is to NOT mix speakers. If you want two speaker cabinets, use a couple 15's or 2X10's.

There is no advantage to adding a 2X10 to a 15 cabinet. This comes from very old habits and a time when 10's were lousy bass speakers (unless enough of them were used.

Today's 10's are higher excursion with wider frequency response and power handling. Many 15's have plenty of high mids and highs.

Mixing sizes creates comb filtering and uneven coverage. Two identical cabinets will outperform two mixed speaker size cabinets in almost every case.

The exception is if mixed sizes are used, and proper crossovers, either passive or electronic, separate frequencies into dedicated speakers.

Two 2X10 or two 15" Portaflex cabinets will outperform a 2X10 on top of a 15.

You still see the ridiculous 4X10 on top of a 15 in concert shots. The 4X10 will produce more low end than a single 15 and will take much more power. The 15 will blow long before the 4X10 will give up. It's a dumb combination. If you must, put the 15 on top so you can hear when it distorts on it's way to failing.

Most concert players have stacks on stage for looks, relying on in-ears for their own sound.

hushnel
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A Friend of Bill W.
Jun 22nd, 2016 01:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"There is no advantage to adding a 2X10 to a 15 cabinet. This comes from very old habits and a time when 10's were lousy bass speakers (unless enough of them were used."

Good to know, old habits for sure "o)

wborys
OldFartBassPlayerWalt

Robbinsville, NJ

what do you mean the bass is too loud?
Jun 25th, 2016 06:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've got an Ashdown Mag 300 combo, 300W with
15" Neo cab, about 60 lbs. Also have
an Ashdown Neo 15" cabinet, 37 pounds, for
when I need extra volume. Works great,
easy for a 67 yr old OldFartBassPlayer to
hump around on his few gigs.

I'm not necessarily pushing Ashdown ahead of
other combos mentioned, just the strategy-
Powerful combo for practice and light gigs,
and an extension speaker to goose it up.
All the better if you have lighter Neodynium
speakers, ASSUMING you like the sound.

my 2c.


LeonB
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North of Philly

Solid state = solid sound+light weight
Jul 21st, 2016 08:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I was somewhat surprised to find that at a claimed 36 Lbs. the Rumble 500 combo has ceramic mag drivers not neo's.

I wonder if there would be any weight savings to be had by changing drivers?

Looking for something like the Rumble 2X8 to pair with my little TC Electronic BG250-208.

I'm right near your age Walt, and really digging small, light, loud stuff!!!

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