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CVH
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Mar 4th, 2015 10:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This guitar was made by Chicago luthier Ben Frye when he lived in Green Bay, and I bought it used in St. Paul. The top is red cedar and the body (sides/back) is routed from a single piece of mahogany. It's great to play and projects nicely acoustically. I put it aside periodically, but every time I get it out, I wonder why I put it away.

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Mar 4th, 2015 01:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a 1994 Parker Fly. The design may bother you but the electric and acoustic tones are excellent IMHO. Great gigging tool. Not sure what a used one would go for, but it was about 2K when I got it.

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Mar 4th, 2015 04:08 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I love that CVH !!!

Dadzmad

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Mar 4th, 2015 10:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've had a Guild S4ce for about 14 years. Use it with a Trace Elliot TA30. The problem with these is the old style Fishman under saddle pickup is really quacky. I added a Pick up the World Quackbuster soundboard transducer mounted behind the bridge and wired in parallel with the under saddle and ahead of the built in pre amp. This really transformed the amplified sound of the guitar. Sounds great going straight to the amp with no added eq. I think that the design of the guitar was ahead of the electronics of the time and a dual source setup really makes them sound nice. A few years ago these were really out of style and could be had for $650 or so. Lately I see them going for around a grand its a Westerly Guild and a quality piece. The songbird / S4ce is a fine player and in my opinion a sleeper.

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Mar 4th, 2015 10:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Fishman makes a piezo saddle bridge system (Power Bridge) that drops right into a Strat or Les Paul.

I've seen Pete Townshend play live with it and the acoustic tones are pretty convincing.

It runs about $300 for a Strat and $200 for a Paul.

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Mar 6th, 2015 09:08 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Fishman makes a piezo saddle bridge system (Power Bridge) that drops right into a Strat or Les Paul."


FWIW, I had a Nashville Tele with the Fishman Power Bridge and I did not find the piezo tones to be pleasing at all.

If it sounds like an acoustic with a piezo pickup, to me that's an indictment. They just sound awful to me.

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Mar 6th, 2015 09:08 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've got at least 6 solid body guitars with piezo bridges starting when I put a Fishman Power Bridge on my '68 Tele when they first came out. I've got that Tele, two Strat types, my LP knockoff, a 12 string and a solid body acoustic I built around a Fishman undersaddle pickup.

Being able to get realistic acoustic tones depends on the gauge of strings, and what you plug into. The closer you get to acoustic gauges the better the acoustic like tone. 9-42 won't do it. I used to run a 10-52 hybrid set on my Tele but replaced the 52 with a 58.

A full range amp works best, along with active tone controls. Acoustic amps are great, keyboard amps are good, if you have a preamp in the guitar, and bass amps with tweeters will work fine, or go straight into the PA again with a preamp.

Fishman power bridges have very high output, without a preamp and can actually overdrive the input of an amp. I've had to pad down every one I have in guitars before going into preamps or amplifiers. I suppose the Fishman electronics that go into the guitars for these bridges does that in the circuitry.

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Mar 7th, 2015 09:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have two Godin acoustic guitars that are solid body. One is the nylon classical style which plays well ,the midi output is great but the sound just leaves me cold. It's action is nice ,it plays well. It justs leaves me wanting some "body" sound to it. The steel string model is the same. Maybe a bit better but still kind of lifeless.

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Mar 8th, 2015 01:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I still have an old DOD Meatbox pedal. I didn't like it on bass which it was designed for, but one day, I tried it on a solid body "acoustic" guitar I built and later on my Tele with Fishman bridge. I left the octave below off. The other tone controls added very realistic "body thump" which got me even closer to authentic acoustic tone. The two controls are boost/cut and centered at 35 and 60Hz. Perhaps they are more specific than just a low eq control, or the Q works better.

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Mar 8th, 2015 01:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Not saying achieving a good sound is impossible with a solid body,just saying you have to work at it and still might not be happy with the results.

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Mar 8th, 2015 03:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I may be missing the point of this thread, but if you're looking for a giggable great sounding acoustic with a slim neck and ultra low action, a Taylor should fit the bill nicely, and I'm sure there are plenty of other manufacturers making similar guitars.

If you're set on a solid body acoustic, I've never played one, but I did have a Tele shaped acoustasonic about 20 years ago that sounded and played awful.

(This message was last edited by Ayns at 05:08 PM, Mar 8th, 2015)

Ayns
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Mar 10th, 2015 09:27 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

On further reflection I think it was actually a Kramer Ferrington(?).

Awful.

Coral Head

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Mar 11th, 2015 08:14 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks for the input everyone. I have taken a chance and ordered one of these.

I will report back when I get it. It's not that expensive and looks like a good compromise.

ESP LTD Arc 6

jay1vinton
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Mar 13th, 2015 02:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sorry to hear about the Ferrington. I was going to post that I always wanted one....

VanGoghsEar

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Mar 24th, 2015 12:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've got two of them.

A Fender Santa Rosa sometimes available used for about $350. Like a mellow electrified piezo acoustic. 24 frets, Fender style 6 tuners on one side headstock, thin solid wood body. I like the tones of the Santa Rosa myself; more pleasant than the average piezo tones.

My other one is the Michael Kelly Hybrid Special. Fishman power bridge acoustic blender, humbuckers, stereo or mono output options, blendable tones, split coil humbuckers, extremely versatile guitar and only about $650. Still available new.



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Apr 30th, 2015 06:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have the Guild S4CE… really like it. I have tried it through various amps but find that it sounds best via a Mackie mixer into a PA system.

That is the gultar Barry Gibb uses a lot… you can see/hear it on live tracks which you can catch on YouTube.

Tony Salieri

Houston, Texas

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May 2nd, 2015 09:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Thanks for the input everyone. I have taken a chance and ordered one of these.

I will report back when I get it. It's not that expensive and looks like a good compromise.
ESP LTD Arc 6"

Congrats!

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A suggestion for anyone reading this thread for research.

Crafter SA and SAT guitars. Some folks laugh at them (keep in mind some folks also love the overpriced & underwhelming Taylor T5). Other people mod them with to suit their specific needs.

MU understanding is basically the same guitar is available as Michael Kelly & other brands.

Crafter A/E Hybrid SA/SAT Guitars

(This message was last edited by Tony Salieri at 11:45 AM, May 2nd, 2015)

Coral Head

Sunshine State

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May 2nd, 2015 10:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have been using my ESP mentioned above for a bit now. It sounds very good but I have been running through an EQ pedal to fine tune the tone and boost the volume since it does not have much output for a guitar with a pre-amp. Anyway, I am happy with it and it plays like a dream compared to most acoustics. It literally does play like an electric.

I happened to hear a guy play a cheapo nylon string "solid body" acoustic this week. I thought it might be a Godin but I discovered it is an Antonio Hermosa from Amazon.com. It sounded great. He said it cost $160. He is a good player.

reverend mikey
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May 2nd, 2015 11:57 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Tom Anderson also makes the Crowdster. Not cheap, but I heard one recently in concert (used by Lincoln Brewster) and it sounded excellent.

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Tony Salieri

Houston, Texas

I'm a tone deaf hack.
May 5th, 2015 08:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Joe Ely apparently loves his Taylor T5, or at least he says he does (he wouldn't lie for marketing purposes, would he? LOL). I've yet to see one of his performances where it sounded good as an acoustic or as an electric.

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