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FDP Forum / The 'Pup' Tent / DiMarzio Area 61 phase question

Mick Reid
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Feb 2nd, 2015 09:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just installed a pair of Area 61's in the middle & neck of my Deluxe Lone Star Strat (HSS).

I wired it up with the standard (DiMarzio) way with the Green wire to ground, red to hot(switch).

I know they say to switch the hot & ground wires if there is a phase issue, but what I want to ask is do I switch the hot & ground on both middle & neck?

I would presume so, but just checking.
I'm done for today. Will pick it back up tomorrow.

Other than the phase thing, I'm liking the 61's on their own. I think they'll work well with the bridge HB once I get them dialled in together.

Steve Dallman
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Feb 3rd, 2015 08:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Flip both, or flip the humbucker.

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Feb 3rd, 2015 10:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Assuming you have standard HSS strat combinations...

If you flip both (or the humbucker) the middle/neck position will sound the same as it does now. The middle/bridge position will change.

If you flip just the neck pickup, only the neck/middle position will change.

If you flip the middle pickup, the bridge/middle and neck middle position will change.

Mick Reid
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Feb 3rd, 2015 02:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks guys. That's what I thought.
Heatin' up the iron now...

Mick Reid
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Feb 4th, 2015 12:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ok, I swapped the the leads as per our discussion above (green to switch, red to ground)

Doing this has fixed the phase problem between the middle & bridge, but the middle & neck seem to have lost something. The output is less and they sound kind of flat from what I remember yesterday after the initial hook up.

I haven't changed the amp settings since yesterday's test and my other strat with (Lace Sensors) is significantly louder where as they were quite evenly matched before.

If I go back to the first wiring scheme for the 61's (red to switch, green to ground) BUT flip the HB bridge, is that going to yield anything different from what I have currently? It just the same thing only different isn't it?

If this is as good as it gets, I might just put the Texas Specials back in!
I hope this hasn't been an expensive lesson...

ejm

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Feb 4th, 2015 09:14 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

In your original post you didn't say what the problem is/was. You also didn't say what the bridge pup is (Duncan?).

It seems that two of the pups work with each other (the A61's), but the bridge pup is the odd man out.

If it were me I'd try to get the bridge to work with the other two, and not the other way around.

There are differences in color codes from one manufacturer to the next. I'm sure that an internet search would turn this up. Dimarzio also has a boatload of wiring diagrams on their site, for use with I'm assuming their pups.

Compare these two sources of information and you should be able to figure it out. If not, we can probably help.


Mick Reid
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Feb 4th, 2015 02:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"...you didn't say what the problem is/was..."

I guess I made a bit of an assumption with "phase question" in the thread title and:

"Other than the phase thing, I'm liking the 61's on their own. I think they'll work well with the bridge HB once I get them dialled in together."
in the OP.

So to clear that up, the bridge/middle combo was out of phase with each other. Very thin, nasal tone when combined.

The HB is the stock Fender Twin Head HB.

I've checked DiMarzio, which is where I got the "switch green & red wires" from. That's as much detail as they give regarding phasing.


DrKev
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Feb 5th, 2015 03:27 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Changing the wires around should not make any difference to the sound of the pickups on their own. But if for whatever reason you don't like it that way, put the singles back the way they were and switch the humbucker red and greens.

Otherwise I'd suggest calling DiMarzio and asking their advice. I'm told their customer service is very good over the phone, very knowledgeable.

Steve Dallman
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Feb 6th, 2015 05:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What the good Dr said. Put the middle and neck back to original and flip the humbucker.

Mick Reid
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Feb 6th, 2015 06:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Put the middle and neck back to original and flip the humbucker."

Yeah, did that. The humbucker is a Fender Twin Head Vintage. My first experience with these HB's.

The pickup has only 3 wires coming off of it. blue, green, black.
Black was connected to ground, blue was connected to the 5-way switch, green was to the S1 switch for volume & splitting.

When I reversed them, it rendered the HB silent. I didn't bother swapping green & blue as that would only change which position was SC and which was HB.

At the end of the day I didn't get the result I had hoped for with the 61's, so I've moved on.
They'll go on the bay and I have hatched another plan. Will post about that separately once I've finished.

Still be interested in what others think about the swapping of the leads on the Twin Head HB though.

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Feb 26th, 2015 09:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"The pickup has only 3 wires coming off of it. blue, green, black.
Black was connected to ground, blue was connected to the 5-way switch, green was to the S1 switch for volume & splitting.

When I reversed them, it rendered the HB silent. I didn't bother swapping green & blue as that would only change which position was SC and which was HB."

How was it connected when you reversed it? You said you didn't change blue and green so what did you do?



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