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littleuch
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Feb 2nd, 2015 07:24 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A song I started writing a dozen or so years ago and got stuck on a bridge. I decided to hell with it and made a little left turn with it before coming back.

Man, I had to get this mixed in a hurry as I think I took Pro Tools to the limit on my system. I'm not really happy with all the levels. I'll probably do a couple dozen more mixes in the next few days, lol.

Minstrel and Mercenary

Achase4u

U.S. - Virginia

Feb 2nd, 2015 10:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Dang. How many tracks and FX?

Sounds totally great, man. Sounds like some 9 chords in there for that sentimental sound. Totally great.

The audience perspective drums are cool. I don't hear that often.

What organ software is that?

You make such a great bed for the vocals without letting them stick out too much. Very nice space all around the vocal.

(This message was last edited by Achase4u at 12:36 AM, Feb 3rd, 2015)

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Feb 3rd, 2015 05:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Great job as always! If that were my song I'd be happy with the mix as it is. I know how it is. It's never exactly how you want it.

littleuch
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Feb 3rd, 2015 07:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks Fellers.

Aaron, I have a mix of 28 mono/stereo tracks and busses(plus master fader),22 effects and 2 VI's running at any given time(the second VI is just a 2 note female "ooh" on top of my last verse harmonies). The organ is Pro Tools DB-33 which has an insane amount of controls. I like the fact that I can track the organ then make a second pass in record mode operating just the mod wheel for leslie speed. Still in my MIDI infancy.

Aaron, can you elaborate on the "audience perspective" comment? I used my old standby loops from BetaMonkey and pretty much built the approach of the song around them. Do you mean panning and placement of the drums? I do notice my final mix has a notable difference in left/right RMS power, more so than usual. I think it's probably the snare.

Ken, I usually get into the minutia part of mixing at this point (aka, polishing the turd, lol). Push a word on a vocal line by 2db, etc.

Thanks for listening.

(This message was last edited by littleuch at 09:24 AM, Feb 3rd, 2015)

Achase4u

U.S. - Virginia

Feb 3rd, 2015 10:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey Larry,

Yea man!

upwards of 20 tracks plus fx gets taxing. I placed in a mix contest recently and the mix had 50 tracks most with fx. It was pretty brutal even for my amd 6 core @ 3.8ghz, even using a UAD card to take some of the load off.

UAD plugs are insanely expensive, but they do sound great. The old two knob gear boxes are so easy to use. I catch them on sale...

MIDI is fun though with automation, isnt it? You can use that mod wheel to control other automation as well like volume and pan/other fx parameters.

I just mean the hi hat is on the right side as if I were facing a drummer(right handed) on stage. I'm a drummer so I usually mix drummer perspective so the listener is sitting at the kit.

The snare is a little to the left I think but I think that's fine.

Riding the faders is what it's all about. Thats a great way to make a record. Push up and down on phrases and words. Certainly. Even with reverb. More verb in choruses etc...

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Feb 3rd, 2015 09:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sounds great, Littleuch!

Hope I can get a clean recording like that one of these days. I have a lot to learn.

Achase4u

U.S. - Virginia

Feb 3rd, 2015 11:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You can do it, De ville. I don't mean to disagree with Larry, but 22 FX on 28 tracks is not a ton, and is a reason he gets great sounds, I think. Every single time we run our audio through a plugin, we get something, but something is also taken away. The least amount of processing is the best. Get great sounds as early in the process as you can. Spend time choosing the right mic, the right mic position and get the best performance you can. Then mixing should be a lay-up. Balance is the most important thing. You should be able to adjust faders and panning at the outset and get a good rough mix in minutes. That's when you know your recorded material is good. Don't be afraid to mute tracks if they are crowding things! I look forward to hearing your projects as well.

littleuch
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Feb 4th, 2015 06:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks Deville. Yeah, 22 FX/28 tracks isn't necessarily a ton going on, but I'm operating Pro Tools on an HP ProBook 4540S with an Mbox Mini. Actually so far (knock on wood) it's exceeded my expectations.

I did this recording using some hints learned over in the "Learn about levels" thread. Basically, I tried to keep all recorded tracks substantially lower than I usually record (a carry over from my tape days, I guess). Many of my plugins used involve subtractive EQ (HPF's, etc.). I love big spatial sounds, from Hank Marvin to Moody Blues to Fleet Foxes, I've always been a reverb fool. This time around instead of applying the verb to the individual tracks or to their buss I created an independent buss off of the main buss and controlled the levels from there. I also used a lot of volume automation to make those faders work on phrases, words, swells, etc.

A lot I learned from the friendly folks here at the Home Recording Forum.

Achase4u

U.S. - Virginia

Feb 4th, 2015 01:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Yeah, 22 FX/28 tracks isn't necessarily a ton going on, but I'm operating Pro Tools on an HP ProBook 4540S with an Mbox Mini."

Limitations are inspiring!

Your stuff sounds great!

littleuch
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Feb 4th, 2015 01:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

When I get that deep into tracks, automation and effects I find I make mistakes. I just remixed the track (and reposted to SC). In the process I found that the reverb buss I created for the backup vocal track wasn't even operating. I had assigned the verb to the main buss. My ears couldn't tell.

Achase4u

U.S. - Virginia

Feb 4th, 2015 02:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Its allot to keep track of for sure. Ive done that too. Had tracks feeding auxes twice etc... if it doesnt sound bad though, its ok. I say, anyway, hey hey...

Mark From Hawaii
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Mar 22nd, 2015 06:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I like it - accessible but still not your typical pop tune musically or in lyric. Nice guitar break in there as well. Very cool.

littleuch
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Mar 22nd, 2015 06:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks Mark!

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