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FDP Forum / The 'Pup' Tent / Do pickups "settle"?

gdw3

LA-la-land, CA

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Jan 20th, 2015 03:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have an Amalfitano humbucker in my Mike Lipe guitar. Actually, I used to have 2, but I was never happy with the neck. (I put a cheap-ish GFS Dream 180 in there, and actually really like it!). I used to think the pup in the bridge was harsh, and it always made me cringe a little. But now, 2 1/2 years later, it seems sweeter, more musical. I'm not imagining this, am I?

It tempts me to put the neck 'bucker back in, but I like the lower output of the Dream 180. Hmmmm.....

JohnS

USA

Jan 20th, 2015 06:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hearing changes almost hourly, strings get old, tubes age, humidity differs. Record a bit and then you can record the same bit with the same stuff to do a sound (quality) check at a later time.

gdw3

LA-la-land, CA

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Jan 21st, 2015 01:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Eh, I live in LA. It ain't humid. This is a subtle change over time, across various amps & recording methods. I've heard that pickups do settle in -- something to do with oxidizing or...?

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Jan 21st, 2015 02:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I say no, pickups really don't change, even over many decades. And subtle changes over time are not something humans are good at distinguishing. Our playing style changes subtly over time, tubes in amps degrade and get changed, different brands of string sound different, pickup height makes a difference (and nobody I know has the exact same setup fro year to year), ad your ears change with age too, as do your tonal preferences and how you EQ your amp. In short there are many other variables that can make a subtle change you hear. Pickups 'settling' is not one of them.

The only thing you can be certain of is this - you like that pickup now. That's cool!

gdw3

LA-la-land, CA

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Jan 21st, 2015 02:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

But don't the magnets de-magnetize over time? Doesn't the wire oxidize? There must be some change. I'm not trying to be difficult, but it seems to me if other things change, why not pickups?

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Jan 21st, 2015 02:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Could it be the sum of all things? Weakening magnets, oxidation, older wood, neck relief affecting string height, current day manufacturing of strings, etc.

I recall reading an interview with Jerry Garcia a long time ago saying he trashed pickups with sweat. Seems to me there'd likely be a bunch of components to changing sound of a guitar, even electrics.

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Jan 21st, 2015 02:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

No, magnets effectively don't demagnetise over time. There is a reason they are called "permanent magnets". Worst case scenario is a few percent over a decade. In general, one or two percent loss in strength over 50 years is more normal.

Violinists swore wood ages over time but they were talking about hundreds of years with an acoustic instrument. They'd laugh at guitar players talking about wood aging over 50 years, to say nothing of 2 1/2. Turns out they may not be able to tell the difference.

(This message was last edited by DrKev at 05:01 PM, Jan 21st, 2015)

spud1950

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Jan 21st, 2015 06:21 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Magnets according to Bill Lawrence

"Before the introduction of alnico magnets in 1935, permanent magnets were not quite that permanent. During a certain time, they lost a good amount of magnetism till they finally reached a stable condition. The process to accelerate this decay was called in the industry, "magnetic aging." In modern science, it is called "stabilizing." Since the �50's, we use Alnico 5 magnets which lose, under normal conditions, less then half a percent per 100 years.

How can the wire oxidize? It's not bare copper. It has an insulating (formvar,enamel,poly etc.) coating on it.

(This message was last edited by spud1950 at 08:34 PM, Jan 21st, 2015)

Achase4u

U.S. - Virginia

Jan 21st, 2015 09:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Magnets do change a little over time - I think the most in the very beginning, though. Right off the charger they are their strongest, then a matter of days they settle some.

Each alnico grade has its own demag curve etc.

Guitars and amps change etc. Our ears change, too. I bought a high end microphone that killed my ears when I first got it, but I am used to it and find it very pleasing.

The wire doesn't oxidize as much as it forms micro cracks in the insulation. This can cause eddy currents and small shorts that warm the sound up. Not likely in a year, but it's happened.

gdw3

LA-la-land, CA

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Jan 22nd, 2015 01:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks for the info everybody!

Gaukdawg

Ohio

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Mar 7th, 2015 08:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The neck of my Heritage has settled over the years, 20 that I have owned the guitar. At first any change in temperature or humidity would cause the neck to move sometimes significantly. I thought I wasn't adjusting the truss rod incorrectly but I would take it ever so often to a pro to adjust it. I was doing it right. But after 10 years it seemed to be not so flakey and more consistant. Now it is rock solid and moves very little even in drastic humidity and temperature changes. It is very solid. I believe that pickups can settle too, whether sweat or temperature changes or just normal use. Sometimes the most subtle change can make a big difference in performance.

(This message was last edited by Gaukdawg at 10:52 AM, Mar 7th, 2015)

gdw3

LA-la-land, CA

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Mar 7th, 2015 03:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I guess it could be drying out of the guitar itself as well. I had it made for me, so it was as brand new as you can get.

rfrakes331K
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IL USA

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Mar 18th, 2015 11:38 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I was thinking of asking the MRI dept if they would let me put a guitar in the MRI room. Far enough so the machine wouldn't pull it to the machine in an attempt to age the magnets in my pups.

gdw3

LA-la-land, CA

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Mar 18th, 2015 04:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ha. That's nuts.

rfrakes331K
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IL USA

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Apr 2nd, 2015 09:57 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It would be a heck of a conversation piece, and looks cool. It could put musicians at ease.

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