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FDP Forum / FDP Unplugged - Acoustic Instruments / Here we go again - Martin HD-28 or HD-28V? - two year update 12/28/16

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Chris Greene
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Frogs, the other white meat
Dec 4th, 2014 06:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I was gonna get a 28V a couple years ago and weenied out at the last moment but, these days, all I play is acoustic and my Yamaha FG-461S, now 20 years old, is developing some issues not worth fixing.

Gotta buy through the internet, most likely from one of our sponsors.

My real question is about that modified V neck on the 28V. I've got a Jimmy Vaughan Strat with that general shape and it's a non-issue for me but I don't know how that would compare to the Martin version of a modified V neck.

I know about the bracing differences, cosmetic differences, and the claimed sonic differences between the forward braced vs. standard braced versions. I'm not sure how important the extra low end might be for my couch play.

I'm guessing, I'm going to have to pick one of each to order, try them at home, and return, hopefully, only one (keeping the other).

Interested in any comments you guys might have (other than get a Taylor, Santa Cruz, Collings, etc.). I'm stuck on getting at least one Martin before I die.

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Dec 4th, 2014 06:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Why does it have to be a dreadnaught?

Those guys are too big for me.

A 000-28 is mighty nice.

Chris Greene
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Dec 4th, 2014 06:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It has to be a dread (nought) because that's all I've played for close to 50 years. My muscle memory and what I think of as an acoustic guitar has always been a dread.

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Dec 4th, 2014 06:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

OK boss -- to me, reaching around a dred sitting on the couch is a chore.

Those big boys are meant to be played standing up -- usually next to a banjo or fiddle player.

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Dec 4th, 2014 07:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

For couch play you might consider stepping up to Adirondack spruce. You relax, it projects with much better articulation than Sitka, especially on a rosewood dread.

There are special issue D28 Martins and J45 Gibsons available with Adirondack (red) spruce. Check Sweetwater.

It's a lifetime decision. Don't be left wondering what you missed.



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Dec 4th, 2014 07:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I recently purchased a D-28 Marquis, Adirondack top 1 3/4 nut and a full 40% off of list. I'm a happy camper.
If you don't mind the 1 3/4 nut it's worth a look.
I like the wider nut on an acoustic, of course YMMV.

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Dec 4th, 2014 07:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm a huge fan of the Martin modified v neck. I also have a JV Strat and the feel is similar. I also prefer a 1 3/4" nut, but a 1 11/16" wouldn't be a deal breaker if the guitar played and sounded great.

If you're going with a forward shifted scalloped braced dread you might seriously consider a Adirondack top. It's more likely to outperform a Sitka top.

Happy shopping.

Chris Greene
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Dec 4th, 2014 08:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks Viera, that's good to know about the Martin V neck and the JV Strat neck.

As far as Adirondack, it's harding enough shopping for these in their stock configurations. I'm not convinced that it would make all that much difference anyway. The sound might be slightly different but I don't have the opportunity to go to guitar shops and try all these models. Also, I've got a budget I don't want to exceed. The Marquis is over that budget, even at 40% off.

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Dec 4th, 2014 09:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

On a dread the difference is not subtle. It is a major head expanding dose of glorious ear candy. The difference is clear but not as prominent on a jumbo.

Chris Greene
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Dec 4th, 2014 10:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'll have to take your word for it. However, it doesn't change the facts of how I need to do this and the rather limited choices via online for comparison.

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Dec 4th, 2014 10:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The best part of working part time at GC is the access to so many great guitars. Of those two, I prefer the HD-28V, though in all honesty I have a D-18 that I like better than both.

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Dec 4th, 2014 11:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The forward shifted bracing on the HD 28v gives it a more pronounced bass response. I can't imagine needing more bass than I already have with my HD 28. I do like the V neck profile on a Martin 1.75 neck but not the 1 11/16. I am also not a big fan of the aging toner on the V series tops.

All in all, I just have never thought the up charge for the V is worth it to me. It does come with an upgraded case but if you don't leave the house with your guitar all that often, that point is moot.

Let me add the caveat that I am not a bluegrass flat picker. Maybe if I were the more pronounced bass would be worth it to me.

Either way Chris, you will be getting a great guitar.






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Dec 4th, 2014 11:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Love my HD 28. But if I was looking to buy something right now I would seriously consider the new D18's. Beautiful sounding guitars and a great neck.

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Dec 4th, 2014 11:24 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Recently went shopping for a HD28.
I thought I'd like the V as I have had and enjoyed the JV neck. The 28V felt bigger and really didn't fit my expectation.

Tried a HD28 standard neck. Felt better to me.

In the end I was disappointed with both as far as sound goes although the 28V had more bass and generally nicer tone to me.

I came home with a Gibson Hummingbird.
It's a True Vintage model which I wouldn't swap for either of the Martins I played.

Older Martins I have played the sound just jumped out - not these newer models.Maybe you've gotta spend $6,000 plus?

Chris Greene
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Idaho, USA

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Dec 4th, 2014 11:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Gibsons don't interest me in the least but, as they say, horses for courses. Don't like Les Pauls either but scads of people do. I will admit to liking many Gibson hollow bodies though.

Like I said in my first post, I expect I'll end up ordering both styles and, hopefully, keeping one. If I had to run through 10-15 guitars, two at a time, and pay the hit for return shipping for all but one, it would be cheaper than a road trip and I'd get to actually play them in the environment I play in.

Remember, I'm moving from a Yamaha FG-461S (solid spruce top) so I suspect any one of these will be a nicer guitar.

BTW, I've seen a lot of positive comments on the D-18 and also the D15 - all mahogany.

(This message was last edited by Chris Greene at 01:47 AM, Dec 5th, 2014)

telegib

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Dec 5th, 2014 04:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I find my HD 28 to be loud with tons of bass response (I like bass) and it sounds big and full in every chord. I have tried HD 28V's at the store as well as someone I know who owns one. Maybe it was the room acoustics at his house and at the store but it didn't sound as good to me as my HD 28. I perceived as more of a rounder hollower tone but not necessarily better. I like the overall tone of mine.

However as we know no two guitars sound alike with some of the same model sounding drastically different.



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Dec 5th, 2014 06:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

When do you get to SoCal next?

McCabe's in Santa Monica

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Dec 5th, 2014 06:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The Martin V neck is subtle, not a prominent V. My 000-28EC has a V neck. I like the neck but I actually like my $900 Yamaha AC3R more. I bought mine through Sweetwater and used their CC with a 0% interest for 24 months. They were, or still may be offering 36 mo 0%. It was a $3500 guitar and it is exquisite!


jvstratman

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Dec 5th, 2014 07:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Don't overlook this one. The neck is a very comfortable "Modified V".

Mine is a tone monster!

Some were made with richlite fingerboards and bridges and some with striped ebony. Zoom in on photos when looking. Richlite has no grain and is black.

Dadical speaks wisdom re Adirondack top.

The D16 Adirondack has a 1-3/4" nut where the D28 probably has 1-11/16". Not sure how fussy you are about that.

Good Luck!

Martin D16 Adirondack

(This message was last edited by jvstratman at 12:00 PM, Dec 5th, 2014)

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Dec 5th, 2014 09:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"The Martin V neck is subtle, not a prominent V."

I don't know about that.
My Martin PS2 (Paul Simon sig. model - essentially a very nice 000-28) has what they called a "modified V" neck and it's way more prominent than my Jimmie Vaughan Strat neck.
But my JV is an older one (bought new in 2000), so that might be a factor.

It's certainly not an issue for me - I like the Martin neck and find it very comfortable to play (LOVE this guitar), but it's not what I would call a "subtle V" shape.

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