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FDP Forum / Fender Custom Shop / small custom shop rant....

nmontz

In a Cornfield

Jun 1st, 2012 11:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This was something I noticed this week......I'm not sure it's a rant, just more a thinking out loud thing.

I bought a new nocaster ri this week. Great guitar, great buying experience...ect. My rant has to do with the case candy. I suppose in the past with my other custom shop instruments, they came with a little cable and a vintage style strap. Fine, but totally unecessary. Well....this stuff was pretty nice. A cloth braided cable....the strap was pretty nice too. To buy this stuff at a music store I'd guess retail the strap and cable would easily sell for over $50. This guitar came with some custom shop picks too. Now don't get me wrong all that stuff was fine....but with the cost of a custom shop instrument, geeze I'd rather have the $50 off or whatever and none of that stuff. Or spend that 50 bucks lacquering the case or something. Do people really factor in thinking about anything like that....boy I wonder what the custom shop strap that comes with my guitar will look like? In my case that stuff goes unused with all the other case candy and gets put away with my other piles of case candy. I mean I can't say that I've ever used or thought about the stuff that came with my gibson guitars either. Just seems like an unecessary thing.....almost every time I'd rather have the money off vs. the swag. Anyway in the greater scheme of things....not that big a deal, but $50 is $50....and I like to keep as much $ in my pocket as possible.

LeftRightOut
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Jun 2nd, 2012 01:07 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

flog them off on fleabay you might even get more than $50.



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Jun 3rd, 2012 04:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Exactly. Unload it.

But if you ever decide to sell the guitar, having all the [unused] case candy and the COA will command a higher selling price.

daho

Los Angeles, USA

Jun 8th, 2012 01:10 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I seriously doubt that stuff costs Fender $50, more likely it costs them less than 5 bucks.

nmontz

In a Cornfield

Jun 9th, 2012 10:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well here is essentially the strap. It just has a different front end and a silver buckle on it. It might even be a bit nicer than this strap I found listed on ebay. I was thinking too....probably is a business decision. We will add in this strap and this cable and force them to buy these extra two products. I see the cable retails for $20-30 too. So retail at least it's over $50 of stuff. Again not the end of the world. But...just a small something that hits home...especially with the added price increase.

This is basically the strap.

nmontz

In a Cornfield

Jun 9th, 2012 10:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I took a pic to show the swag

case swag

bmeredith
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Jun 13th, 2012 06:07 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"In my case that stuff goes unused with all the other case candy and gets put away with my other piles of case candy."

"I mean I can't say that I've ever used or thought about the stuff that came with my gibson guitars either."

I'm sorry, but I don't get that you're worried about an extra $50 or so if you've got the coin to buy multiple high-end guitars. I like getting a nice case and case candy when I buy a guitar. Fender's been doing that since the early days, and I'm glad they are still doing it rather than making it just one more cutback.

I dare say that if they stopped including it, you would see very little, if any, price drop anyway. Like daho said, it probably costs them very little to include.

nmontz

In a Cornfield

Jun 13th, 2012 11:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's been 7 years since I bought my last electric guitar. I got the funds for multiple high end guitars on my income BY worrying about the extra $50! Believe you me I know exactly what I have to do to get each and every $50 I make. I probably will end up peddling at least the strap. I probably can't sell the cord for what I can buy something similar for. As far as guitars or most things go! Quality only hurts once. Not that it seems to matter too much anymore with the global economy and all but I still try to buy made in the USA, and I also try to buy things as handmade as possible. I love the C&G cases too!

It is interesting bmeredith to see somebody with a different opinion where somebody wants good case candy.



bmeredith
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Jun 14th, 2012 06:38 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just think it's a nice little "value added" feature that they can throw in there when someone buys a nice guitar. My main point was that I don't think they'd drop the price considerably (if at all) if they started withholding the case candy.

I hope my post didn't sound smarmy. I too like to save my pennies for a nice quality guitar or amp, rather than just settling for something cheaper.

johnny1111
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Oct 8th, 2012 07:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well at least case candy was included. The Gibson 58 VOS I bought new six years ago was missing the case candy. The dealer and Gibson did not seem interested in providing it either. I eventually sold the guitar--and never did get the candy!

Peegoo
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Oct 8th, 2012 07:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

When people spend high dollars for something, there's an expectation that "extras" will be included: "If I'm going to pay what you're telling me is your bottom line sale price for the car, I'd like you to throw in the dee-lux floor mats."

It's simply that.

Taking case candy out of the equation will subtract little off retail.

Same goes for the COA included with a CS guitar. Having the COA neither makes the guitar better--nor does it make the guitar's owner a better player. Sure, it will probably add value if the guitar is ever sold, but bottom line--it's a piece of cardboard with printing on it (some of which is shiny GOLD!).

Years ago I bought a 2nd hand CS Telecaster. There was no COA (didn't matter to me), but the price was reasonable and the guitar played and sounded amazing...it's a phenomenal player. BOUGHT!

stratcowboy
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Oct 8th, 2012 11:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes...but when the manufacturer of the product markets their items with promised "candy" or COAs to be included--whether they actually add to the value or not--it is their responsibility to deliver those products along with the featured item. You will find those items listed as what's *included* in the manufacturer's description. Thus they are being flaky for not providing the same.

A small point, but does underscore the cavalier nature of the marketing and manufacturing honchos. If they don't really want to provide this stuff with the purchase, leave it out of the product description.

Peegoo
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Oct 8th, 2012 06:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If they promise something and don't deliver, that's fraud--plain and simple.

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Oct 9th, 2012 10:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I doubt very much that they leave the factory, especially the CS, without all the "candy" that's supposed to be included, and I would suspect that it goes missing while it is sitting at the dealers.
Over the years there have been numerous posts about missing case candy, COAs especially, and even the wrong cases! This often seemed to happen at the same large dealership chain!


stratcowboy
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Oct 9th, 2012 12:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

True enough.

But I had a CS Strat some years ago that came boxed and sealed from a very reputable dealer. Inside the case the candy and such was in a sealed bag with the model of the guitar written on the bag with a Sharpie. Well, opening the bag, the trem arm was for a completely different guitar. This CS Strat required a pop-in arm (if I remember correctly), and the dealer ultimately scrambled, apologized and got me the correct arm for that bridge. But that sealed plastic bag DID leave the factory with the wrong stuff in it. It wasn't the dealer's fault. So...I think there's plenty of responsibility for this stuff to go around to several parties.

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