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FDP Forum / Fender Amps: 1985 - Current / What Fender Amp Sounds like a Super Reverb, but is Smaller?
(This message was last edited by Fritz_D_Cat at 01:36 PM, Apr 17th, 2012)
FDP Forum / Fender Amps: 1985 - Current / What Fender Amp Sounds like a Super Reverb, but is Smaller?
meninblue
michigander
will i ever be happy with my gear?Apr 16th, 2012 05:47 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I have a Fender Super Reverb that is my #1 Amp! But looking for something smaller! that sounds very close to the Super!
telegib
CanadaApr 16th, 2012 06:48 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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What type of Super Reverb? Blackface or Silverface? Both are are night and day in terms of tone.
meninblue
michigander
will i ever be happy with my gear?Apr 16th, 2012 06:48 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Blackface 1967
bmeredith
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USA
Happiness is a warm tube ampApr 16th, 2012 07:36 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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From Fender's current lineup, it would be the Deluxe Reverb re-issue.
carsten
on the rhineApr 17th, 2012 02:35 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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hi meninblue!
another option would be to put the super in a smaller cab with, say, 2 x 10" speakers.
you could stay very close to your sound, but would save a couple of lbs, as well as decibels ;)
in the current line-up - yes, the deluxe reverb or princeton reverb reissues.
cheers - C.
telegib
CanadaApr 17th, 2012 03:13 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Yes Deluxe or Princeton. Both will sound a little softer in the midrange than the Super though.
Billm
New Jersey, USA
Hey! What exit?Apr 17th, 2012 09:58 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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The other alternative would be to uprate a DRRI with new power transformer and output transformer, to run 6L6s.
meninblue
michigander
will i ever be happy with my gear?Apr 17th, 2012 12:27 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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The Deluxe Reverb Sounds like a great amp! How are the reissues?
Billm
New Jersey, USA
Hey! What exit?Apr 17th, 2012 01:08 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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The reissues are just fine, although traditionalists will tell you that the old amps are still the best.
Fritz_D_Cat
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better living
through chemistry!Apr 17th, 2012 01:23 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I do up the DRRI's like Billm suggests above all the time. More than a match for an SRRI like that. It picks up a couple pounds heavier but it's still a one hand amp up the stairs for almost anyone.
The DRRI power transformer can drive cool biased 6L6's okay, say 38 ma per tube. Heater current is the thing to watch.
The DRRI output transformer needs an upgrade. I like the Allen TO26's for the 6L6 conversion. Optional is a filter cap upgrade.
With 6L6's, I'd use a modular solid state rectifier in that slot - a Weber WS-1 for the headroom and punch, a Weber WZ 34 for a touch of sag/bloom on big notes. The GZ 34 tube is just fine for the standard 6V6's, biased around 18 to 20 mA each.
If you like a 6L6 tone, but don't need a ton of headroom consider using the JJ 6V6S biased at about 20 to 24 mA each.
I'm a big fan of Celestion Gold or Weber California for these. The Cali hits the warm Super thing just right.
I also revoice the normal channel when I get hold of them and bring the reverb/vib to that channel.
Lots of these mods are detailed in my profile or the DRRI thread.
I have my own set up on Sylvania NOS 6V6GT's and used the faux ground switch as an impedance switch to either drive the internal 8 ohm Cali or add my mini cab with the Gold on the 4 ohm setting. That's different OT. It's Seriously Loud (louder than an SRRI) and more versatile, too if you put an AB switch in front.
SpiroGiro
YorkshireUKApr 20th, 2012 04:03 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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...you can't replicate 4x10's! This is the added ingredient as it is with the Bassman and is why a Bassman doesn't sound like a Tweed Deluxe or Tweed Twin...
Th SR has a wonderful full - almost HiFi quality...
RainboGuy
USA/Wisconsin
Ike Turner is my guitar hero!Apr 20th, 2012 06:21 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I totally agree with SpiroGiro.
Nothing sounds like a Super Reverb....it's totally unique in it's sound.
tdhall
florida
tdhallApr 20th, 2012 06:29 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I know there is a lot of love for the DRRI and I don't intend to insult anyone but I owned one and wasn't very impressed. I don't think it had many of the characteristics of the Super unless very modified. My own DRRI ended up gutted with nothing left of the original than the pan and reverb circuit. I have to agree with SpiroGiro that you can't replicate 4 x 10's. All that being said, you might be satisfied with a DRRI modded as denoted above. As for me, I decided I would just haul what sounded right to me regardless of weight or bulk. Currently that's a mildly modified 1st generation 60 watt Supersonic. I use my heavily modded DRRI occasionally in the studio but it no longer sounds like a DRRI.
meninblue
michigander
will i ever be happy with my gear?Apr 20th, 2012 03:41 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I Agree! There is nothing like the 4x10 in a Super Reverb! It is a Tank though!
6 Cylinder Slim
New England
Shoes for IndustryApr 20th, 2012 06:27 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Just my opinion, If I were playing old fashioned style, right off the stage, I would be thinking more about modern folding hand trucks to make hauling easier rather than a smaller amp. If I were playing mostly miced up, I think Billm's modded deluxe idea is a great one. I've heard DRs beefed up to 30 watts with 6L6s and they sound great to me. I'ts a compromise, but they still have a lot of the sound of the bigger Fender amps. It's an amp Fender should have built all along.
Jon S
Houston
Blues & Jazz....mmmm tasty!Apr 20th, 2012 08:29 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I've seen this topic talked about before and wonder if a blackface/silver face vibrolux could be considered a smaller super reverb?
Just curious what folks think.
:)
Bubbalou
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THE LOW END OF UPPER TEJASApr 20th, 2012 09:03 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Jon S, I see you apparently bonded with the 2001 Epi Broadway more than I did. Still weird looking at your profile and thinking 11 years ago that guitar sat in my house. How are things going these days? I play mainly Bass now.
Jon S
Houston
Blues & Jazz....mmmm tasty!Apr 21st, 2012 08:08 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Lol....Yes, the Broadway and I are still making music together. I lowered the action on it a little and put on a set of 11's. It stays in tune beautifully. I'm trying to play more jazz these days so it gets a good workout. I can't believe it's been 11 years ago...time sure does fly by.
I hope you are having fun with the bass. It looks like you guys are having fun in
your pics. :)
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