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FDP Forum / Guitar Mods, Repairs, and Projects / Why unwound strings slip out of vintage kluson type Strat tuners ?

hotblooze
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Apr 14th, 2012 08:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Was re-stringing a Strat which came in for a set-up and the high E string keeps slipping as I tune it to tension. Since the end is coiled, I tried another new string and the same thing happened.

I wish to point out that the string tree has been removed from the headstock as the string sits quite snugly in the nut slot. The owner says tuning is more stable that way. However, it may also be a factor why the string keeps slipping from the hole inside the post.

Fortunately, out of memory I remember Peegoo posted once that you can actually bend the end into a "V" and insert it into the string post to create some sort of grip. It worked on my third string change. Goes to show that sharing experiences and tips is what makes this forum so good.

FunkyKikuchiyo
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Apr 14th, 2012 08:49 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

In that absence of a knot or a lock, the string relies on tension to hold it in place. You can do a thought experiment with this: wrap a string (old shoelace or something) around your finger once and pull. It'll probably keep pulling until you run out of string. Wrap it ten times and pull. The string can't pull free and just yanks on your finger. Because on a vintage tuner you have that big slot it doesn't cinch around the post with the same vigor as with the smaller hole, so it is more likely to slip. The hole is a bit better than the slot, but the slot is better than just a solid post wherein you just wrap the string around and keep turning it like the string on your finger.

On a tuner with a hole I like to put the first wrap over the excess piece of string. On a slotted tuner, I just do a couple extra wraps than I'd normally do. I push the string in and do my best to bend it at a sharp angle coming out of the slot so it'll hold in that spot. If you rely on the post turning to create that point it is more likely to slip out.

Hope that helps...

Pinetree
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Apr 14th, 2012 08:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here's you a

video.

Peegoo
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Apr 14th, 2012 08:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Another way to do it, for the plain strings:

Cut the string 3" beyond the tuning post.

Insert the end of the string into the post hole.

Make a figure-8 wrap with the string over the two "halves" of the top of the post.

Take up the remaining slack by winding as normal.

This method will lock it down tight.

and the method Hotblooze mentions

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 08:57 AM, Apr 14th, 2012)

mrfix

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Apr 14th, 2012 11:57 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I like the half wrap lock like Pinetree's video.
This can also be done with the B string.

reformed audiophile
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Apr 14th, 2012 02:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've been using the v-bend 'trick' ever since I read about it here. Works great for me.

Before that I'd slide a toothpick in the center hole (alongside of the string) until I tuned up to pitch. Then it could come out and the string wouldn't slip. Only ever needed it for the e.

wrnchbndr
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Apr 15th, 2012 08:07 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The video shows a much easier way to do this than the one I've been doing. Much thanks.

Buzzy Bee

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Apr 17th, 2012 10:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm gonna have to start stringing up my Jagmaster that way (it has that same type of tuner). I don't have much issue with slippage, but anything to help would be...helpful.

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Apr 18th, 2012 10:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"..the string sits quite snugly in the nut slot. The owner says tuning is more stable that way."

Well, at least until he bends a note and the string hangs up in the nut. (;^)

Back on topic:
My technique for the high E (and the B) is to make the bend, but bend it all the way and stick the folded string into the center hole, push it down as far as it will go, then hold the string down against the headstock and start winding (then bend the extra length over and trim it off).
Never had one slip using this method.

Dr. Jimmy

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May 15th, 2012 10:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Was re-stringing a Strat which came in for a set-up and the high E string keeps slipping as I tune it to tension. Since the end is coiled, I tried another new string and the same thing happened."

Are you charging people for the "setups" you do? If so, and you were having a hard time stringing with vintage tuners?

hotblooze
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May 18th, 2012 12:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Are you charging people for the "setups" you do? If so, and you were having a hard time stringing with vintage tuners?"

No, I don't do it for a living. I help out at a Christian music center to bring students' guitars up to scratch. It is just a passion of mine to repair, mod, build guitars and learn like most folks here.


Peegoo
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May 18th, 2012 05:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

hotblooze, you are a gentleman and a guardian angel for doing this stuff for other players.

Simply playing a guitar can be frustrating and demoralizing. Compound this by having a guitar you have to fight--because of a poor setup or bad geometry. It's just more gasoline on the fires of doom.

Huge plus points to you for helping players dial in their tone sticks!

BbendFender
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May 18th, 2012 09:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Not sure what I'm doing but I just don't have problems with strings slipping on my guitars that have vintage kluson tuners.

rfrakes331K
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May 28th, 2012 12:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I guess this is why the locking tuners came along?

Peegoo
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May 28th, 2012 03:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Locking tuners were invented as part of the effort to help keep non-locking-vibrato guitars (e.g., Strat, Jazzmaster, Bigsbys, etc.) in tune during bendy-bar wackiness. When you release string tension by leaning on the bar, the reduced tension allows the multiple wraps of string around the string post to contract a bit...after which, your strings are now all sharp.

Lockers eliminate that issue because the most string you have on a post is a single wrap.

wrnchbndr
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May 28th, 2012 04:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This has been a great post and the posted video shows a great solution to not such an uncommon problem. I have always done something of a lock for the B and the E-strings but the video is much easier than what I had been doing and it makes use of the safety feature of these tuners. I never do any sort of string locking process on wound strings -- and I've never seen a slippage issue either regardless of the tuners. The plain strings can slip on these slotted style tuners and conventional tuning posts so some sort of lock is good insurance. Knots and going through a tuner hole twice are another story. Like Erlewine mentions somewhere, I want to charge an extra $10 to anyone who brings me a guitar with knots on the tuning posts -- it pi&&es me off and puts me in a bad mood -- and it is so unnecessary. I've been doing what is shown in the video for over a month now and I'm sold on this technique.

FunkyKikuchiyo
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May 28th, 2012 06:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Like Erlewine mentions somewhere, I want to charge an extra $10 to anyone who brings me a guitar with knots on the tuning posts -- it pi&&es me off and puts me in a bad mood -- and it is so unnecessary. "

+1!

I do like the first wrap over the slack trick, though. It lets me do fewer wraps around the post, and steel string guitars have virtually no break in time. Those aren't that hard to de-string though.

Te 52

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May 28th, 2012 07:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I do essentially the same thing as Pinetree's video except after poking the bent string end into the hole, I take a half turn *counterclockwise* around the post, then back through the slot, then tune up as usual. I find the start of the winds lays a little smoother this way.

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May 28th, 2012 07:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I never have any issues with slippage and take no extraordinary measures except to hold back any slack until the string gets to tension. Maybe its because I use 11's? I dunno, but it works for me.

Tony Mellichampe

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May 28th, 2012 07:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I still scratch my head in wonderment over these Posts on difficulty stringing Vintage-style split-shaft Tuners, or Safe-T-Post whichever you choose to call them....they have to be the easiest and fastest to me, and always have been ?

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