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stratcowboy
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Apr 6th, 2012 04:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I usually use the calculator from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics for inflation calculations. Their version of 1997 at $725 is $1028 today. Which is certainly close to what your numbers indicate.

I think the problem is... No matter which economics expert you ask, you'll find that the wages of Americans' are either stagnant or in fact going down slightly over the years. So, though the inflation calculation indicates that things are still priced relatively OK, the real "in-the-pocket" feel for the consumer whose income has NOT changed (or gone down) is to actually create a wider gap than those inflation numbers would indicate. Saying it another way...the pricing of the object at hand is not out of line, but the affordability for the end user has actually declined.

smurph1

USA

Apr 7th, 2012 12:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I like to buy used also..Just got a 57 AVRI Strat for $800 with case..I was lucky I guess..The seller was motivated,,

slacker

Hawkeye Country

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Apr 9th, 2012 11:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I bought a white American Strat for $725 back in 1997. If I wanted to buy a white Strat today it would cost me $999 at Musicians Friend $725 back in 1997 has today's buying power of $1031.60 according to the dollar times website. Sometimes a little research can save a lot of aggravation."

Actually, the 2012 American Standard, to which I was referring in the title and OP, goes for $1100-1250 at MF, not $999.

"Enjoy your Gibson."
I have two, both over 5 years old, and I enjoy them immensely. I also enjoy my Strats and Tele, also both at least several years old. I'm not in the market for a guitar....just commenting on an email I received from Fender.

I just think it's interesting that street price for AmStds is within $100 of what I paid for an American Deluxe Vintage Player strat (one of the first in the Thin Skin series) not that long ago. IIRC, I paid around $1200-1300 for that from Wildwood. Now I have to go see how much *those* are going for these days...I'd have to imagine they're up in the $1500-1700 range.

BLUEPRINT
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Apr 11th, 2012 08:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yep. I tried one of the Jade RW 2012's

Nice but it weighed over 8lbs 3oz's

Way to heavy for a Strat for me.

Other wise it was nice. I'm not a huge fan of the Fat 50's pups though.

jhawkr
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Apr 13th, 2012 04:25 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Making what, may I ask?"


Aircraft parts and assemblies.


I ordered a new Eric Clapton "Blackie" last month for $1350.

stratcowboy
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Apr 13th, 2012 11:29 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Aircraft parts and assemblies."

Wow. Considering what's going on in the public sector (constraints on government budgetary items) as well as the economy in general (the lackluster airlines, corporate environment, etc.), that's quite remarkable. I asked this question as a longtime investor--always looking for ideas. To hear that aircraft stuff is booming is indeed a surprise to me; got me scratching my head, for sure

Are these domestic or international contracts your company has?

"...and now we return to the original thread."

Pinetree
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Apr 13th, 2012 11:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Pretty sure he works for Boeing.




6 Cylinder Slim

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Apr 13th, 2012 12:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

In dollars, the price of strats has been pretty stable. But, after figuring travel expenses, the gig to strat ratio has soared out of sight. Last and only new guitar I bought was a Strat in 83 at a ratio of around 6 gigs per 62 RI Strat. Today, at MF price of 1700 the ratio becomes 22 gigs per 62 RI strat. so the price of the guitar is OK, it's just that the value of playing them has crashed.

jhawkr
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Apr 13th, 2012 04:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

We used to be a company that worked for Boeing. Now we are a company that works for a company that works for Boeing. But yes, we make machine parts to major assembly of components of all Boeing aircraft. The 737 is back-ordered for years and the 787 for even more. Those are the biggest jobs and we generally do 5 and 10 year contracts. We're good to go for the rest of my working days.

MarkLinCA

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Apr 13th, 2012 04:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Not Boeing. Numbers are too small. But could be a supplier to Boeing or Spirit.

stratcowboy
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Apr 13th, 2012 05:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"...the gig to strat ratio has soared out of sight..."

An excellent point. Much like the photo business--which has been my career for the past 35+ years. While the cost of the gear (and associated equipment--software, computer power, etc.) has ramped up rather dramatically, the price people are willing to pay for photography has vaporized. Much like what the music business (online freebies, downloading, etc.) has endured the last 15 years is what is happening to the photo business. People see stuff on the web and make the assumption it is all free. I have major magazine clients who've not significantly raised their rates in 15 or 20 years (despite what they charge for advertising). Then there's the client (now a former client) who offered me a third of what another client used to pay me (adjusted for inflation) over 30 years ago. Whadda you people crazy? Several times in the last few years I've fielded requests from large glossy magazines asking me if they could "use" my images. Of course, they wanted them for free. They would give me a photo-credit line. To which I always reply: "When I check-out at the grocery store, they don't ask me what my name is. They ask me for cash." Then they laugh at that one, but ultimately that is the end of the business conversation. My answer is always "no" to them. People wanting me to work for free...give me a break; I could be REAL busy that way. While they're getting paid to sit there on the phone and talk to you. Excuse the rant...

This was a topic of conversation with another local musician whose comment was that clubs pay the same or less for bands than they did 25 years ago. Which I think is true.

So yes...while the guitars might be priced somewhat appropriately, the payback for using them (in dollar terms, only) has kinda gone down the drain (in relative-to-the-times terms).

(This message was last edited by stratcowboy at 05:05 PM, Apr 13th, 2012)

MacReverb II
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Apr 14th, 2012 09:24 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Actually, the 2012 American Standard, to which I was referring in the title and OP, goes for $1100-1250 at MF, not $999."

Sorry Slacker, I didn't realize you were talking about the upcharged sunburst models. For the record,

The American Standard is available in black, olympic white, charcoal frost, candy cola and blizzard pearl for $999.99. The 3-tone sunburst sells for $1,049.99. and the Sienna Sunburst sells for $1,149.99.

(This message was last edited by MacReverb II at 12:35 PM, Apr 16th, 2012)

jhawkr
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Apr 14th, 2012 10:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That $250 in the mid 50's was a lot harder to come up with than the $1,149.99 today! $250 in the 50's was 6-7 brand new car payments or 3-4 pretty nice house payments!

slacker

Hawkeye Country

Thread crapping is unbecoming
Apr 16th, 2012 12:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"The American Standard is available in black, olympic white, charcoal frost, candy cola and blizzard pearl for $999.99. The 3-tone sunburst sells for $1,049.99. and the Sienna Sunburst sells for $1,149.99."

Those are not the 2012 AmStds (which say "Fender 2012 American Standard in the title and are touted as "New"). The simple colored ones (Olympic white, black, etc.) go for $1100 and the premium finishes like sienna burst are $1250.

MacReverb II
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Apr 16th, 2012 12:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

For those who care, here is the link to Musician's Friend that clearly sells American standards for the prices I stated.

Musician's Friend

jay1vinton

Hawaii, USA

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Apr 16th, 2012 07:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

In comparing prices of what you have bought in the way of strats runs all over the place. My 95 AMSTD was 524.00+tax out the door at GC in Arlington, Texas in 1995.

My 07 MiM StD was 399.00 +tax out the door in Hawaii. I know different models and eras, but both have increased substantially until present.

slacker

Hawkeye Country

Thread crapping is unbecoming
Apr 17th, 2012 05:57 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"For those who care, here is the link to Musician's Friend that clearly sells American standards for the prices I stated."

Yep. As I noted, not the *2012* American Standard, which is the topic of this discussion.

I'm guessing you thought I meant new as opposed to used in the title, but I was referring to the new 2012 American Standards that were just introduced by Fender via email when I started this thread.

Here's your link

(This message was last edited by slacker at 06:00 AM, Apr 17th, 2012)

papersoul

United States

Apr 17th, 2012 08:26 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

How much are the new Standards in stores? Last I checked they were still under $1099.

slacker

Hawkeye Country

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Apr 17th, 2012 11:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"How much are the new Standards in stores? Last I checked they were still under $1099."

I don't know. The updated 2012 model has not been out very long (which is why MF is still also selling the older version now). I'd be surprised if any local stores were selling them for less than MF. Like I said in the title, List price is about $1500, so MF's price is a substantial discount already.

MacReverb II
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Apr 20th, 2012 03:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ok, now i get it. That page never came up before when I searched American Standard prices. Why would Fender add aged plastic and Fat 50s to the American Standard. The whole idea of an American Standard is to be the Strat which all others are compared too. A new American Standard shouldn't have aged plastic - it should look new with nice shiny white plastic. And American Standard pickups, love'm or hate'm, should be generic middle of the road good sounding strat pickups. Is Fender losing their way?

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