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reverend mikey
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Apr 26th, 2012 05:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Another thing ... the store manager (he's also one of the owners) told me that in his conversation with Gibson, they had told him a couple J-45's they'd ordered were backordered for 45-60 days, and they showed up in 4 days!

The guy from Gibson said, "Stores that are paid up with us are gonna get pushed to the front of the line ... you didn't hear that from me, but hey, that's what happens."

So he said the same thing COULD happen with my lefty SG standard order, but I'm gonna go with the used one unless there's some reason I'm not happy with it.

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May 1st, 2012 05:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Okay - update. The used SG was delivered today, and I got a phone call...

The over the phone description was that it was in excellent condition, with just one small indent on the top of the guitar - the rest pretty much mint.

And this was true ... until we discovered what they had done to it when they put the EMG pickups into it (they were installed by someone at Guitar Center - only someone there would do something like this to an American made guitar - a$$h@le$!!!)

I had asked if they had routed a battery compartment in the body when I got the phone description. Nope, no extra routes. When I took the guitar out of the case, I immediately noticed that one volume and one tone control were sitting flush down on the body...and...when I tried to turn them - nope, they won't budge!

Idiot at GC removed one volume pot and tone pot to fit the EMG battery and chip/board into the small SG control cavity, AND GLUED THE EXTRA VOLUME AND TONE KNOB TO THE TOP OF THE GUITAR WITH EPOXY!

I'd like to get my hands on this moron! What's worse is that no one at the Dietze store in Lincoln caught it when it was traded in!

But ... this worked out in my favor, as I was able to get a killer deal...they shot me a price of $600 and I said I was still concerned that if I tried to resell it, I won't even get that for it (by now we had popped off the knobs - see pics below - it DID remove some of the finish right down to the bare wood...pics in profile. Most of this will be covered up by the knobs, but it's still there, and really lowers the value of the guitar.)

So they went down to $550, and I said "okay". I'm going to pull the EMG's as soon as possible and will probably order a set of Larrivee humbuckers for it; I love the way they sound in my RS-4 - very vintage output with lots of clarity and character.

So, that left a BUNCH of cash in my pocket - around $700 that I had available - so I ordered a Dr. Z MAZ18NR (no reverb) head! I've got some time to pull the rest of that cash together - probably around 60 days/end of June.

Anyway, here are some pics of the SG in its current condition. I DO like it; and I'm very happy with the very straight grain. It really needs a set-up, but it looks like it was never played, there is literally no wear on the frets.

The small indent on the front doesn't go through the finish and isn't noticeable at most angles. And being that it's an '09, it has a normal, non-laminated rosewood fingerboard (pre-government raid on Gibson).

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reverend mikey
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May 1st, 2012 05:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

With knobs popped off...

...it becomes a "value-leader" SG!

LeftRightOut

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May 1st, 2012 05:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

sounds like a good score mikey, bit of work and she'll be as good as new

i reckon you could use a tinted bit of varnish to stain the wood and drop fill the chip with super glue and being under the knobs it wont stand out

but, i'm sure there's one or two guys in the guitar mods section could give you an better run down on fixing the finish


again great score



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May 1st, 2012 08:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Criminal what happened to that thing but what a deal! I'm certain that with the Larivee pups it will be a fine addition to your already outstanding collection.

The Gibson "truck" at the Dallas guitar show actually had two lefties on it...a 335 and the more expensive vintage style SG with the somewhat thinner neck. It was light as a feather and seemed to play nicely. I really need to go to work on my playing ability but I know there's an SG in my future.

reverend mikey
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May 2nd, 2012 08:01 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yeah, this thing really turned out to be a great deal, because at the of the day, after all the horse-trading, I basically got the SG for my traded in Peavey Delta Blues amp and $250 + tax. "Good trade" (from "Dances With Wolves").

I was concerned about the size of the neck, too, because my son has one from around '03, and his neck has always seemed pretty bulky to me (big shoulders). This one feels smaller/slimmer than his; I really like it.

It will feel/play even better once I get it set up and intonated properly...I'm convinced that the girl/woman who owned this thing never played it, because the intonation is so out of whack,the strings need to be lowered, and there's absolutely no wear, even on the first couple frets. Which makes it even more of a shame that they did what they did with the EMG's and knobs...but it does give it some built in mojo.

(This message was last edited by reverend mikey at 08:02 AM, May 2nd, 2012)

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...with the money I saved (compared to getting a new one) I paid for around 1/2 of a Dr. Z Maz 18 NR (no reverb) head...it's on order, will be here around the end of June...

MarkLinCA

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May 23rd, 2012 10:54 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Wow, that SG Standard with P-90s looks to be quite a deal at $999, with a hardcase - same as Tribute Studio with P-90s and gig bag. Wonder if that is an 'intro' price.

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Yeah, looks like a great deal - bound neck and inlays of the SG standard for a lower price.

I'm having to back away from that now, since, with the money I saved on my used SG Standard, I ordered a Dr. Z Maz 18 head...should be here in around 6 weeks.

The SG Standard (w/humbuckers) is pretty versatile, so I'm not missing the other one w/P-90's at the moment, and I have another guitar with specs very similar to an SG (thin hog body and set neck) with P-90's, so I have that ground covered.

This one does the P-90 thing nicely...

MarkLinCA

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May 29th, 2012 09:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just noticed there is a Tribute reverse Firebird with mini-buckers now offered - and the lefty is the same price as the righty at $849 street. Choice of colors. Does have the baked maple fretboard.

Much better than that $200 hit on the P-90 Tribute Les Pauls and SGs (of which I'd probably already if there wasn't the big lefty hit).

I wish Fender would have this level of comparable lefty offerings. Lots of real tasty righty stuff.

MarkLinCA

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May 29th, 2012 11:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just noticed they also have 70's Tribute SG and LP with the mini-buckers - also in lefty, also with same price as righties.

For lefties, it still seems like the Firebird is the most-unique of the new offerings. Never have been a lot of lefty Firebirds. I love the Fender-esqe headstock on those.

reverend mikey
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Jun 1st, 2012 09:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Historically, Gibson has officially NEVER made lefty Firebirds...although I think one or two have actually been made over the years...but not too many more than that...a few lefty Epiphone Firebirds, and off brands, like Dillion along the way...

These aren't true Firebird specs (with the walnut/mahogany laminate neck through body) but that may not be such a bad thing...would drive the price up, and no doubt leave lefties out in the cold - again.

As I mentioned in the other thread on these, which they offered a couple more opaque colors, since the multi-piece body is pretty obvious, even in the ones Gibson used for their website promo page. I guess no one should be surprised when theirs turns up looking like that!

fadehook

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Jun 1st, 2012 10:10 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Let us hope that Gibby will every now and again give the lefty crowd a break. The neck throughs are not especially critical for me, although a true lefty Gibby Firebird would for me be an immediate gotta get it.

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Jun 1st, 2012 10:44 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The specs on these say Maple neck; that should contribute some more of the snap and sustain of the original neck-through; probably a good call on Gibson's part...not to mention maple is a harder, more stable wood than mahogany.

MarkLinCA

Seattle

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Jun 1st, 2012 11:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes, if I go for this Firebird I'd probably go with the Silverburst to avoid a mismatch potential, since I really have no choice but to mail order and won't see any in stores here.

reverend mikey
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Jul 12th, 2012 10:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

So, has anyone ordered one of these Firebirds yet?

Just an update on my SG saga. The other day I walked into the local store where I bought my SG, and they finally received the lefty that they had ordered for me - there it was, hanging on the wall - a brand new, LEFTY SG Standard (next to a mirror-image right-handed one!).

I'm glad I bought this used one (and at a fraction of the price). The new one is very well built, and the neck/frets felt good in my hand, but the body wood has a swirly grain in it that just doesn't look right (left?) on an all hog guitar like the SG. And because of this grain pattern, the seam on the back is very, very obvious ... on mine you have to look hard to find any evidence that it's a two piece body.

As I said, the neck felt good, but checking the action at the nut, I see that - just like on mine - and even though these are PLEK'D - the nut slots aren't cut low enough; it will need a set up to truly play properly and in tune! I don't know why Gibson bothers to use the "PLEK" thing as a selling point when the guitar is still in need of a serious set-up...it's not even close to ready for professional use the way the nut is cut.

Anyway, I may go back in sometime and take mine so I can really compare them (especially the pickups), but I'm certainly not having any regrets about getting this one. And I'm sure some other lefty will be tickled to walk in there and see a quality left-handed guitar available for a change (instead of just the usual low end Epi's and Mexicasters).

fadehook

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Jul 14th, 2012 01:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just spoke to my guy at Sam Ash the Silverburst I have on order is still 2 months +/- away for the factory ship to the distributors.

reverend mikey
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Jul 15th, 2012 04:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That's about how long it took for the new lefty SG Standard to get to my local music store...don't know why Gibson advertizes things when they're still that far out from availability.

fadehook

Texas

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Jul 19th, 2012 04:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I suspect that pre-orders of lefty std. stock guitars drive the reasoning behind their disorders of the mind. Re: the Firebird... What was old school is now considered new....heck look at all the old shapes Fender is bringing back..... BTW my Carvin 127 is really playing good these days....don't you have a few Carvins

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I've had several over the past 6-7 years; I'm now down to 4 and two of those are for sale - my two DC150's. But the market right now is so tight, I'm not getting any serious interest in them.

I also still have a Holdsworth Fatboy that was custom painted for me, and a CL450 nylon string.

Celtic Cross Fatboy ... more pics in profile

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