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FDP Forum / Guitar Mods, Repairs, and Projects / My $15 Squier Strat project: "Old Filthy"

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George
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Jan 9th, 2012 10:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

As I mentioned in my OTHER Squier Strat thread (different guitar), I just scored the pieces of another Strat. This was a craigslist deal and I swapped a pedal that I paid $15 for a while back on CL, so I think I did okay, especially since I enjoy working on guitars as much as playing them - maybe more.

Funny thing is, I don't like Strats all that much. I do not like black guitars with the possible exception of double-bound Teles, and I especially do not like black guitars with white pickups and rosewood necks. Yet I now have two. Go figure.

Link to the photo album is below. I'll link to specific pictures in future posts.

Anyway, I have a few questions for the learned cadre of guitar mayhem here, if you please:

1. Any tips for doweling and re-drilling a neck? The guy I got this from said his dog knocked the guitar off a wall hanger and the neck popped off. Hmmm. Well, whatever the truth is, the neck is in great shape except the threads are gone. I took the neck to Home Depot and bought a dowel that's probably 4 feet long and just barely fits in the largest hole. I figure I can sand down the dowel to fit in the smaller (less damaged) holes. Cost of dowel: 62 cents, including tax.

Photobucket album of the $15 Strat, A.K.A. "Old Filthy"

George
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Jan 9th, 2012 10:24 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic


Best photo I could get of the stripped neck holes

George
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Jan 9th, 2012 10:26 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

As funky as this body is, surprisingly there's not much fret wear.

This is why I call it Old Filthy. It's dripping with mojo and who knows what else.

George
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Jan 9th, 2012 10:29 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The older neck looks much nicer than the one on my newer, cleaner Squier. It has a nice aged color to it, and the decals is under the finish on Old Filthy. The newer Squier decal is on top of the finish and is starting to peel off - with no help from me.

Also, the truss rod access hole on OF looks MUCH better. It's smooth and neatly finished. The hole on the newer Strat is rough, as if hacked out with a screwdriver, and is bare wood. Yuck.

Two headstocks

George
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Jan 9th, 2012 10:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Okay, here's my second question: is there supposed to be a hole through the pickup routs into the spring cavity? This reminds me of a rusted-through floorboard in an old VW Beetle, yet it's painted black.

I don't think the previous owner was much on maintenance so I doubt he would have painted it black, but if this guitar suffered some bizarre puncturing accident, it doesn't seem to affect the structural integrity of the body.

My newer Strat doesn't have this hole.

This is probably the best picture of the hole:

Rusted clean through!

George
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Jan 9th, 2012 10:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Another shot of the hole is below.

Okay, last question (for now) - do you guys see anything on Old Filthy that looks problematic? I ask because I have another craigslist deal pending for the newer Strat and have an opportunity to trade it away today or tomorrow for something of greater value.

I was thinking I'd make one good guitar from the pieces of both, but overall, I like Old Filthy better.

Oh, by the way, I plugged in the body and tapped on the pickups with a screwdriver while moving the selector switch and volume and tone knobs. I don't see any loose wires and the pickups, switch, and knobs all work as they should.

Flip side

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ME
Jan 9th, 2012 01:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"The hole" is for the ground wire that goes to the trim.

catscratch

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Jan 9th, 2012 01:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Answer to question one: forget the plugs and use brass inserts and machine bolts (Similar to the ones in the link.)

All my fenders (both Strats and Teles) have them and they all have sustain that lingers on and on.

You will probably have to drill the existing holes to accomodate the inserts but in any case if you choose to go the dowell route it would be easier to drill the holes to the diameter of the dowell than sand the dowel down to match.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AxeMasters-Electric-Guitar-Bolt-On-Neck-THREADED-INSERT-4-KIT-Strat-Tele-Bass-/180780992841?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item2a17630949

Gaukdawg

Ohio

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Jan 9th, 2012 01:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

catscratch, thanks for that link, I have a project that this might just be perfect for.

George
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Jan 9th, 2012 02:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks guys.

Is the hole for the ground wire normally that huge? On my other Strat, it's just big enough for the wire to go through. It probably doesn't matter, but it just looks strange, especially because the edges are so jagged.

I have inserts in my Tele neck (and cool allen-head bolts holding the neck on) but they were already installed when I bought it, so I don't know how they go in.

I looked at the link (thanks for that) and had no idea they were so inexpensive. I also like that they let you swap necks around so quickly and easily.

To install those, I'd still need to dowel and redrill this neck, right? Anything for a newbie to watch out for when installing them?

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Jan 9th, 2012 04:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yeah, on some imports the rear rout (spring cavity) and front rout (control cavity) overlap, creating that large hole. Not an issue.

You probably bought a poplar dowel. If you have a few maple golf tees around, use those instead. The wood is way harder, and the "dowel" ends are already pointy! Sand the tees to fit, apply glue, tap 'em in. When the glue is dry, saw off the tops and trim flush with a sharp chisel.

Inside that hideous guitar there's a real gig beast struggling to get out. Bravo to you for setting it free!



FunkyKikuchiyo
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Jan 9th, 2012 05:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

To question 1: Glue in your dowels. If it was me, I'd have picked up the next size up dowel as well. If the hole isn't perfectly round or is funked up for some reason, it can be good to drill it out just until the weirdness goes away and then use the larger dowel instead of trying to fill the gaps with glue. I generally insert the dowel as far as it'll go, mark the dowel part sticking out with a pencil, and cut it off so it'll sit in flush and then glue. If you have a good, flat block you can use that to sand the back of the neck flat again afterward. Be careful not to sand over the visible parts because you probably aren't ambitious enough to sand out/buff out scratches. Be really careful with this. Doing it well will give a better fit and potentially improve set up and tone, but doing it poorly can open a can of worms. You can skip this step if it makes you nervous.

To drill the holes, clamp the neck on (be careful not to get clamp marks on the neck or body) and put your two E strings on. Get the neck into the position you want, and tighten the clamp. A standard neck bolt screw (probably not what came with the guitar) uses a 1/8" bit. If you're using the Squier ones, you'll need a larger one probably, but who knows. Drill to the top of the body hole so as it self-centers it pulls the neck down into the pocket instead of picking it up and out.

Final question: I don't see anything from the pictures to cause alarm, but if the guy says it took a fall, I'd inspect the neck carefully for things to be addressed before remounting and stringing up. It could've taken a face plant and left a hairline crack in the nut, a nasty divot in a fret, a loose fret, or something else.

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Jan 9th, 2012 09:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey, George -- You like black, double-bound Tele bodies? I have one that a guy gave me when I made a specialty guitar for him (we used the neck and most of the hardware). It sits around collecting dust, so iffen you might want it, my light's on.

George
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Jan 10th, 2012 12:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Whoa - Bear, you most certainly have mail! Thanks.

I used 0000 steel wool on the frets and fingerboad tonight and couldn't find any damage to the neck, nut, or frets. It cleaned up well.

And the body is no longer a bio-hazard. Before I'm done, I'll strip all the hardware and get it super-clean but a little time and elbow grease made a ton of difference tonight.

I uploaded a few more pics to the album, if anyone cares. Here's a shot of the body after cleaning:

Old Filthy shines up pretty well

Bear
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Jan 11th, 2012 12:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Whoa! What a difference! Looks great, and still has plenty of mojo that just wouldn't come off.

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andDuctTapeDog
Jan 11th, 2012 09:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That looks like and SE-100 that is nearly identical to mine. The bridge and the non-staggered pups are the same. It's one rugged piece of gear. Mine has also been drilled and plugged a few times and I don't hesitate to take a dremel to it when need be. It's great to have a guitar like that in one's arsenal!

You're right about the Mojo. People will take beater Squiers to places they wouldn't dare take a "nice" guitar, lol!

Now, the necks you have are fascinating to me, the CAE serial # one in particular. Mine also has a decal above the finish that could easily be peeled off, but the neck is actually very nicely finished in a thin satin. The truss-rod hole is cleanly drilled and finished. In fact, I was amazed at how nice everything about this neck was on it, especially the fret-work, considering the dirt cheap price I paid. The ser # is CAE002080xxxx.

I realize Old Filthy has a different neck and that you've mixed and matched. Still, the body, guard, trem and pups are a dead giveaway that it's an SE-100. Enjoy the heck out of your nearly-indestructible beater Squier!




George
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Jan 12th, 2012 11:36 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks, WD. I've heard these might be S-100s from a couple other FDPers so you guys are probably all correct.

FWIW, I didn't change any parts between the two guitars and now I can't - I traded the cleaner/newer one via craigslist on Tuesday. I pointed out the high/binding nut slots but he's a "guitar guy" and understood what needs to be done. I received an email from him after the trade and says he likes the guitar.

If I have time this weekend, I'll try Peegoo's golf tee trick. Thanks also to FunkyKikuchiyo for the good neck drilling tips - other than some cleaning under the pickguard, the neck fix is all Old Filthy needs right now. I should probably order some threaded neck inserts, too. One of the guys in my neighborhood garage band is a guitar builder/assembler too and maybe we'll order a few together and combine shipping costs.

Finally, Bear and I are working on something that might generate another thread or two here in the guitar mods forum, and you guys might even see a joint entry in the Gentleman's $99 Tele Challenge thread before too much longer.

Bear
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Jan 14th, 2012 02:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Although my part doesn't involve any actual "work". Ha! Ha!

Right, George?

Right?

George?

George
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Jan 14th, 2012 05:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well, it wasn't going to, but since you let me into your secret cave of guitar building awesomeness this afternoon. Now I'm not so sure.

*evil laughter*

By the way, if anyone here thinks Bear is a gentleman with amazing guitar building skills, I'm here to tell you that...





...you're exactly right.

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Jan 15th, 2012 09:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thank you, George!

You're buttering me up for something... I can tell :)

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