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Taildragger

USA

"Lost Money Magnet"
Aug 2nd, 2013 02:08 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a 6122-JR, which I guess would most closely resemble an ES-339, but without a center block.

I find the Filtertrons to be much preferable to any Gibson Humbuckers I've ever had, which sound "muddy" to my ear. The Filtertrons offer a characteristic "twang" and clarity which Gibson Humbuckers lack (at least in my experience).

I replaced the TOM-style stock bridge on my Gretsch with a Tru-Arc and have found it to be a noticable improvement in terms of tone, playability and tuning stability. Keeping the nut slots lubricated is also a "must" when you have a Bigsby: really helps the guitar stay in tune.

JohnD

USA

Aug 2nd, 2013 03:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A center block version of the White Falcon is also available for those who want more of a "335" type Grestch.

16" Body, short scale, large "F" holes, and a center block build with all the "bling" of a Falcon.

Taildragger

USA

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Aug 5th, 2013 05:21 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Another possible option down the road: rumor has it that Fender will be re-issuing the Coronado with Filtertron-esque pups. Don't know if will have a center block or not (I don't believe the original did).

Alleged Coronado re-pop prototype

(This message was last edited by Taildragger at 07:25 PM, Aug 5th, 2013)

jay1vinton

Hawaii, USA

Perfect is the enemy of good enough
Aug 22nd, 2013 07:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One great difference between Gibsons with say PAF'sor burst's and the Gretsch's with Filtertrons is in the tones achievable using the pickup volume knobs only.

On a Paul, you get a Paul and not much else, sweet if it's the flavor you desire all the time.

On a Gretsch equipped with filtertrons and the master tone circuit, forget the tone circuit, and the master volume knob for anything tone related. Using the neck and bridge volume knobs, only a very slight roll off of either creates a different toned guitar altogether.

With both wide open, and the 3way in the center position, roll the Neck off just a tad and it becomes instant aggressive tele. Reverse that and roll off the Bridge just slightly and it becomes full throated jazz box. Wide open on both gives you close to a paul. The mastertone is a problem for many as it reduces volume of the Neck pickup as it is rolling off tone, so I find it pretty useless, the master volume is pretty much for just that, altering volume and doesn't do much to alter tone through a good cranked amp.

At first I was utterly bewildered by the set up, I didn't know what was what and what ran what, now I do and find that you don't need coil tapping or any other type of enhancement, just using the volume knobs seems to be a secret to many who's main flavors are Strat or Paul.

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what do you mean the bass is too loud?
Sep 12th, 2013 10:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

wasn't Who's Next recorded primarily with Pete on
a Gretsch? That could tell you a LOT about tone!

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Sep 14th, 2013 05:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Another factor that separates Gibson from Gretsch is the dimensions of the pickups.

Each coil in Gibson humbucker is about the size a Stratocaster's single-coil pickup. The coils in the Filtertron are taller and narrower, like the coil on the neck pickup of a Telecaster.

What this does is allow the Filtertron's coils to be closer together, and that creates a narrower focus for the magnetic field. This results in fewer harmonics sensed. The broader layout of the PAF-style pickup senses more harmonics and thickens up the tone.

Yet another factor is the amount of coil wire. Standard humbuckers generally run between 8K and 13K Ohms resistance. The Filtertron, I've seen vintage units down below 4.5K. Current production is usually somewhere between 6K and 9K. The more wire you have--the more resistance (and capacitance) you get. That tends to create that mid-range "bump" you get with higher-powered humbuckers.

SoK66
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Oct 26th, 2013 09:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Different animals, just like Gibson vs Fender. A unique voice & feel. Very fat tone through Vox-like amps with EL84s. Try one.

SoK66
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Oct 26th, 2013 09:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Different animals, just like Gibson vs Fender. A unique voice & feel. Very fat tone through Vox-like amps with EL84s. Try one.

lox

Columbus, Ohio

Docofrock
May 1st, 2014 05:25 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well i'veowned a335, 339, LP and got rid of them all after a while. Bought a 5422 and liked the sound but not the size. Sold it after I bought a Japanese made DuoJet in orange with TV Jonespups and a tru arc bridge. I think it is a keeper. My primary
axe is a Nocaster though. Filtertron pups are more clear thanGibson hummers.

(This message was last edited by lox at 09:03 AM, Dec 26th, 2014)

Dadical
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May 20th, 2014 09:18 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I love the sound of the Gretsch Dynasonics. To me it's the true signature rockabilly tone. The 6120DSW is also amp proof. It sounds fantastic through anything. Gibsons aren't as versatile when it comes to guitar/amp combinations.

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May 22nd, 2014 06:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I agree, Dadical.

There's usually a lot less amp tweaking involved when I plug a Gretsch (Dynas *or* Filters) in.

Froggy

U.S.A./Tennessee

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Nov 9th, 2014 08:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Gibsons are great guitars and IMHO the Les Paul Axxess would be the perfect guitar if they hadn't made the body so thin! I play a duojet with a bigsby so I'm in the ballpark of perfection.

Steve Dallman
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Merrill, Wisconsin

Age is just a number...mine is big
Jan 9th, 2015 11:28 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've been adding coil taps (actually coil cuts) and series/parallel pickup wiring to Gibson pickups since the mid 70's.

A Gibson pickup wired in parallel sounds remarkably like a Gretch. Single coil highs with wider aperture pickup and still humbucking.

Even overwound humbuckers sound remarkably clear and bright in parallel.

telegib

Canada

Jan 9th, 2015 09:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Filtertron pups are more clear than Gibson hummers."

That's true but I think they sound less "woody" than humbuckers IMO.

Malcolm
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Jan 10th, 2015 08:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

How would you make a series/parallel coil tapped humbucker?

Peegoo
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Jan 10th, 2015 09:03 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Mal,

It's actually not "tapped," but "split."

You need a 4-wire humbucker to do it. If your humbucker is 2-wire, and you're good with a soldering stick, you can either add another 2 conductors, or remove the existing lead and install a 4-wire plus ground shield lead.

Look

here.

Steve Dallman
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Feb 10th, 2015 09:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you follow that wiring but use a three position, on/on/on (not on/off/on) switch, you'll get parallel/series/single coil. Ibanez did this in their early Artist series which had a three way mini-toggle for each humbucker.

Malcolm
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Feb 10th, 2015 10:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Steve
That would be too many options. KISS principle.

Paul L

New Jersey, USA

It looks just like a Telefunken U-47!
May 19th, 2015 11:28 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Gretsch has recently (in the last year or so) introduced several new models which feature a center block. I just bought a G5620T, which is a single-cutaway thinline semi-hollow with a Bigsby. Also features a Filtertron in the bridge and a dual-coil Hi/Lo Tron in the neck. Very much looking forward to its arrival!

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Jul 15th, 2015 07:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Over driven tone.... Malcolm Young.

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