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reep
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Jul 31st, 2011 11:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a fascination with short scale necks. I own a couple of Strats with 24 3/4" scale necks and am close to finishing a Tele thinline with 24" scale Musicmaster neck. I'm intrigued by the things I've read about the Broncos and Musicmasters (and Mustangs?) that came in a student-style 22 1/2" scale. Are they really scarce...I've looked for a long time and haven't seen one for sale or on eBay, where 'most everything seems to be available sooner or later. I'm thinking that I'd like to do a 22 1/2" scale Jaguar for my next project. Anybody got any insights into these shorty Fenders?

JerseyJettFan

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Aug 1st, 2011 11:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The early-mid 90's Duo Sonics made in Mexico were 22 1/2" scale, being 6'3" with long arms I found it was difficult to play if you're of smaller stature it may work.

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Aug 2nd, 2011 08:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a '62 Musicmaster with the short scale. It's a lot of fun, but with only one pickup the sound is limited.

If you like short scales I think you would like them. And a Jaguar scale length is normally 24 inches, 22-1/2 shouldn't be to much to adjust to.

Not sure haw rare they are.

musicmaster on the left

DragonFire

New Jersey

Aug 22nd, 2011 09:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Toronados are short scale as well

jbryan

US

Aug 24th, 2011 01:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You know, other than the 22 1/2" Mustangs and Duos, I can't tell the difference between my 24" Mustang and Jaguar vs. the 25+" Heartfield EX-1, MIA '82 Bullet, and some other "full scale" guitars I have. Other than the neck circumference, I literally can't tell the difference. I've often wondered why people make such a big deal of "short scale" guitar necks. To me it's merely an identifier of what makes it different, but can you really tell the diff? Maybe it's just me...I have small hands so maybe that's why the Mustangs feel just fine to me...but again, so do "full scale ones"...

I do know that 11 guage strings seem to work better on the 'Stang and 'Jag...stay in tune and sound beefier IMO.

reep
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Sep 6th, 2011 08:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Curiousity got the best of me. I just bought a 22 1/2" scale 65 Musicmaster II neck for a Jaguar build.

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Sep 6th, 2011 09:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I just bought a 22 1/2" scale 65 Musicmaster II neck for a Jaguar build."

How are you going to get the 22.5" scale length (yes the neck will help, but I'm talking about placement of the bridge)

Open question to anyone ('cos I don't know - I have a Jag but no JM to compare against)...

is the bridge placement on Jaguar (24") and Jazzmaster (25.5") in the same place?

(@Reep: if it is, you may get this going easily: The only difference is the neck, which you already have).

on the point of scale length: I *can* tell the difference, although I'm a bass player not a guitarist. Comparing my Jag to a 25.5" guitar, the first five frets are easier to get to but it all feels a bit cramped further up the neck, around the 12-15th frets: fret spacing gets smaller quicker.

I find the same thing with my 34" basses and my Bass VI and DanElectro Longhorn (30").

The curious thing comparing the Bass VI to, say, a P bass is that the P overall length isn't much longer (much less than the 4" scale length difference). The bridge on the Bass VI is about a third along the body (because of the tremolo) whereas a P is almost right at the end of the body. Forgetting about the Jaguar Tremolo, I wonder why 25.5" scale length guitars don't move the bridge closer to the end of the body so they end up with the same overall length as a short-scale guitar?



reep
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Sep 6th, 2011 09:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I won't be using a production Jaguar body so I'll have the option of putting the bridge where I need it.

You make an interesting point though...In guitars where there were 22 1/2" and 24" scale neck options, such as DuoSonic and Musicmaster, were the bodies the same with the conversion factored into the neck, or are the different-scaled guitars completely different animals?

You've got me wondering if that little neck would bolt on to a Classic Vibe DuoSonic that I just bought.

(This message was last edited by reep at 09:20 PM, Sep 6th, 2011)

barry.b
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Sep 6th, 2011 09:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I won't be using a production Jaguar body so I'll have the option of putting the bridge where I need it."

... hassles measuring and routing ... but apart from that... (OK, I'm lazy and all thumbs in the workshop)

"You've got me wondering if that little neck would bolt on to a Classic Vibe DuoSonic that I just bought. "

Love to hear the answer too (from anyone that's tried it - perhaps there's an answer in the "Guitar Mods, Repairs, and Projects" section?)

Something tells me the bodies are the same, only the necks differ (re-use of parts, ease of manufacture, etc).



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Sep 8th, 2011 02:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I bought my son a Jagmaster (24" scale) and it plays and sounds awesome. He's young, so he appreciates the easy action and shorter reach.

reep
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Sep 21st, 2011 08:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A post script for anybody thinking of trying it... I mounted the 22 1/2" scale neck on the CV DuoSonic and the bridge is about 1/4 - 3/8" too far back. It seems as if there is a difference in the bodies.

barry.b
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Sep 21st, 2011 08:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

@reep

Damn.

In the words of Don Adams (Maxwell Smart) ...

Fiesta Ray

Pewaukee, WI USA

Sep 23rd, 2011 02:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The CV DuoSonic has a 'conversion' neck on it. The bridge is placed for 25.5 scale.

Mustang/Musicmaster uses the same bridge placement for 24 or 22.5. You could put a 22.5 on any Jaguar.

BroncoBill

USA

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Sep 23rd, 2011 05:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I picked up a couple in the last few months for really good prices... a '61 Duo Sonic and a '72 Mustang. The '61 is The Ugliest PreCBS Fender in History thread. It's coming along. I used to have a 1960 Les Paul Jr. 3/4, but it was funky. The P-90 screamed but it was hard to play, so I raised the action and used it for slide. The balance is all wrong because the body is regular size, but with the short neck the bridge is WAY back. I sold it to someone who really wanted it, so I got 6X what I paid for the old Duo Sonic. Got lucky on that one, as I'm a emotional sucker and usually put in more to these old guitars than I get out of them. Good luck with the build.

reep
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Sep 23rd, 2011 10:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"The CV DuoSonic has a 'conversion' neck on it. The bridge is placed for 25.5 scale."

That's interesting, Fiesta Ray. So, the conversion neck coming from the DuoSonic would bolt onto a normal Strat?


reep
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Sep 24th, 2011 10:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I changed the bridge and the 3/4 neck is working out great. I love these little guitars! Wish I could find a shorty Mustang.

Mission accomplished

barry.b
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Sep 25th, 2011 08:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

@Reep:

congrats on getting this going. Looks sweet.

Damn shame you had to play around with another bridge to get past the "and the bridge is about 1/4 - 3/8" too far back" issue.

At least this can be known/recorded for someone in the future to consider.

Fiesta Ray

Pewaukee, WI USA

Oct 7th, 2011 10:28 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes, the CV Duo sonic neck will work on a 'normal' 25.5 body, and a Strat or Jazzmaster neck would fit the Duo. Not so sith vintage shortscales, except for the 22.5 and the 24 being interchangeable.

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