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FDP Forum / The Squier Forum / vintage modified, classic vibe..hits and misses
(This message was last edited by JerseyJettFan at 07:34 PM, May 26th, 2011)
FDP Forum / The Squier Forum / vintage modified, classic vibe..hits and misses
Ten Bob
ENGLAND
Ham-fisted minimalistMay 26th, 2011 05:39 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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theres no doub fender has raised the bar with squier in recent years, the classic vibe strats and teles in particular.
and the squier custom II (p90) is surely one of the best things theyve ever done, regardless of wether it says fender or squier on the headstock
but i think theyve misfired with the jazzmaster and jaguar....the vista jagmaster had that angle covered - and the more recent jagmasters with the return to the shorter scale (and the indonesian jagmasters from the squier standard series were quite good too)
the new jazzmaster according to reviews sounds and plays great, and the jaguar is basically just a jagmaster
close but no cigar. the strat style jack input and concentric knobs - ugly. and like the duosonic would benefit from a better choice of colours
cost is obviously a consideration so they couldve stuck with the jagmaster template and given us a hardtail option..like the tele custom 2 bridge for instance, keep it simple, functional, good looking and cost effective to produce
In my opinion the original mexican toronado nailed it perfectly; the offset vibe with an aesthetically pleasing hardtail bridge, 2x humbuckers (and a p90 option maybe?)
can we have something like a squier version of the fender pawnshop mustang special with a p90 option please? or just more colour choices in the squier range
JerseyJettFan
USA
JerseyJettFanMay 26th, 2011 07:28 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I too lament the lack of color choices with the new Squier Vintage Modified Jagmasters, Jaguars, and Jazzmasters one would think that Shell Pink, Coral, Surf Green, or Seafoam Green would boost sales rather then the drab colors currently offered.
It seems to me "offset" Fender/Squier guitars scream "surf music" and I cannot fathom why Fender ignores the market for the "softer" vintage shades.
Despite my misgivings I purchased a like new, used, recent production blk/wht Squier Vintage Modified Jagmaster and a new Squier Tele Custom (Dec '08) in black with two stock humbuckers. The Tele Custom sees the most use and the Jagmaster which is muddy in tone has yet to grow on me though I'll keep it around for a little while longer. I was able to purchase a new unused set of Kent Armstrong Retrofit P-90's cheap that I might choose to have installed in the Jagmaster but I want to try a lighter string (.009-.042) gauge first.
I have found a Squier Classic Vibe Strat in Seafoam Green (excellent) with White Pearloid pickguard for $200 and that might be my next acquisition.
reverendrob
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Chaos is my name,
and afflictionMay 27th, 2011 04:23 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Jazzmaster, Mustang, and Jaguars without the proper trem systems aren't what they claim to be. You can deviate a little bit (say, change the bridge on Jag/JM to one of the commonly swapped alternatives, keeping the trem intact) and be there still in my book, but it'd be like if Squier Strats only came in hardtails - they'd be pale imitations of the real thing.
jimijamfan
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W.Warwick R.I.
I brake for 'da blues baby!May 27th, 2011 09:25 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I concur with JJF; as much as I like a nice sunburst, more variety in the colors availablity for the classic vibe series would be a big plus.
Ten Bob
ENGLAND
Ham-fisted minimalistMay 27th, 2011 10:44 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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JJF; definately get those kent armstrong HB sized P90's in that jagmaster. I had a set of those in a strat (wired for 3 way switch like a 'double fat' strat)
awesome tone machine par excellence. still have those pups and theyre waiting for a new home. You will not be disapointed, they do EVERYTHING so well, seems to me the jagmaster would be the ideal home for such pups
The Mad Hungarian
Pennsylvania
Keep on Truckin'May 27th, 2011 08:32 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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To me a true Jazzmaster or Jaguar needs the original single-coil pickup designs. P-90s and humbuckers are cool but are not going to give you the perscussive, twangy tone that made the original Jazzmasters and Jaguars so distinctive sonically.
JerseyJettFan
USA
JerseyJettFanMay 27th, 2011 10:30 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Ten Bob, Thanks for the info it is appreciated. I have a set of GFS Surf 90's with a three-way switch in my repainted Krylon Coral Isle Mist (brown tortoise pickguard/cream knobs + switch tip) Korean-era Squier II Strat and they don't disappoint. Combined with my Crate USA V1512 "V" Series tube amp I get true "Surf/Rockabilly" tones as advertised and GFS Surf'90's are unbelievable bargain.
As for the Kent Armstrong Retrofit P-90's that I purchased for the Jagmaster they came cheap, under $50.00 delivered, unused in the original boxes with all paperwork. I haven't had the extra cash to purchase an additional pickguard (they are quite pricey when compared to Strats) as it seems I might have to remove some material from the stock Jagmaster pickguard for a proper fit, I'll check when I change the strings. If the Kent Armstrong Retrofit P-90's don't just drop in an aftermarket white or white pearloid pickguard will suffice this way if I decide the Jagmaster isn't for me it can be returned to it's stock appearance for the next owner.
Twangmeister
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testifyin' to my guitar"May 31st, 2011 01:03 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I'm sure by cutting back on color options Fender can make them cheaper, although there was a recent run of Squier Bullets in a number of interesting colors and sunburst.
Ten Bob
ENGLAND
Ham-fisted minimalistMay 31st, 2011 04:04 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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true on both counts. But with solid colours they could use cheaper wood / more pieces...with a good neck and decent pickups no-one would mind this. Also, they mustve saved a fortune on finishing with the highway one series, so maybe theres scope (even from a cost effectiveness point of view) for better colour options for squier.
they keep releasing frustrating 'nearly there but not quite' guitars, and by that i mean the guitars are great for the money but the biggest frustration for me anyway is the limited finish options....for example the tele custom 2 (p90) is a well regarded guitar but theyd sell bucketloads more with one or two more colour options
and please release something with an offset 'vibe' with 2xp90's, some nice 60's colours and a simple hardtail bridge. Remember the squier standard range used to be available in all the 'usual' colours but there was sherwood green, metallic purple etc. something like the original mex toronado with a p90 option ; now i'd sell a kidney for that
spud1950
Land Of 1000 Dances
Do you know how to Pony?May 31st, 2011 04:12 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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"To me a true Jazzmaster or Jaguar needs the original single-coil pickup designs."
Yes! I would love to see accurate Classic Vibe Jaguar and Jazzmaster models avaiable.
Standard24
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San Antonio, TexasJun 1st, 2011 02:38 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I think the Jazzmaster and Jaguar are too expensive to manufacture, and they don't really translate to today's music very well. You won't find many 12-25 year olds gassing for them.
bluesking55
Mechanicsville VaSep 5th, 2011 04:06 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Far as colors go, I think Fender is making not quite there...cause coporate wont allow it. It would make too much sence. cant make it appealing cause the hi priced crap in the US wouldnt sell
It shows me Squier could make awesome guitars even down to the colors choices
MacReverb II
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Watervliet, NYOct 23rd, 2011 05:54 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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"but theyd sell bucketloads more with one or two more color options"
Obviously they wouldn't or Fender would offer them. Do you really think Fender's goal is to not sell guitars? Todays Fender company is incredibly in touch with the market - every 6 months they offer a bunch of new guitars with an incredible range of options. Fender reps read these boards and when they read statements like yours I can only imagine what goes through their heads.
"I think the Jazzmaster and Jaguar are too expensive to manufacture, and they don't really translate to today's music very well."
Fender is releasing the J.Mascis signature Jazzmaster any day now. It appears to be a completely accurate JM with the exception of the adjusto-matic bridge.
" it appealing cause the hi priced crap in the US wouldn't sell"
Squier paranoia is sad. Why can't Squier people enjoy their instruments without putting down higher priced guitars?
BrentD
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Lansing, MIOct 23rd, 2011 06:42 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Mac, I don't think he was knocking higher priced guitars. I think he was just saying that Squiers are often so good that if they came in really similar configurations to certain American models, they would eat into MIA market share.
For example, I think that some people who would save longer and buy a CP or an AVRI Jazzmaster will opt for the J. Mascis now. I don't think that's a dig on the more expensive models, but a compliment to the Squiers.
That's just how I read it, though. I'm not bluesking55.
reverendrob
FDP Data Goon
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from the Fred MeyerOct 23rd, 2011 09:14 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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The full line of "Jaguar" branded instruments from the Squier on up and the Mascis Jazzmaster says that Fender is trying to make it possible to start with a lower-end instrument and work the way up the ladder for more than just Strats and Teles.
It's not a bad thing.
MLC
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It's not just good..
...it's good enough.Oct 24th, 2011 10:50 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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"I think the Jazzmaster and Jaguar are too expensive to manufacture, and they don't really translate to today's music very well."
I don't know about that, I've actually seen a surprising number of new bands with Jazzy's and Jag's in use.
I suspect you're probably right about the manufacturing cost, though. It stands to reason that the extra hardware and routing required would bump up costs a good bit.
I am happy to see the new J. Mascis model - now they finally have a "real" Jazzmaster in the Squier line.
MacReverb II
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Watervliet, NYOct 24th, 2011 08:08 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Brent,
Usually when people refer to a guitar as "high priced crap" they're knocking it.
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