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Burstbucker

Canada

May 5th, 2011 05:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I already own a '76 silverface Twin Reverb with two Weber California 12" speakers in it and it sounds great since I returned it back to "blackface" specs, etc... But I don't know a damned thing about the Fender "Concert" amp except that it runs at about 60 watts with 2 6L6 tubes rather then my Twin's 100 watts with four 6L6s.

I saw a silverface Concert amp today at a pawnshop for $650.00 and it looks to be in good shape cosmetically, not sure about the sound but the guy that works there (who happens to also be a super good blues player) said that it has a really nice, burly clean sound in the first channel but doesn't sound so great in the other channel, probably because it has all of that master volume and pull bright crap in there. The four 10" speakers aren't original but are newer Fender brown label 10" speakers, I wouldn't be surprised that they're actually better then the original speakers that came with the amp when new.

But I would imagine that an amp like that is a diamond in the rough. If a guy was to go and tweak the circuit back to blackface specs, would it give up a nice nice bluesy crunch when driven hard?

I tried out a mid-60s blackface Super Reverb years ago and I was really surprised at the nice growling grind that that amp could produce at loud volumes. Will this Concert get me into that kind of territory if it's all dialed in properly?

(This message was last edited by Burstbucker at 05:24 PM, May 5th, 2011)

carsten

on the rhine

May 6th, 2011 02:07 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

hi burstbucker!

there were loads of different versions of the "concert".
starting as a 4x10" brownface-combo in the early 60´s to various 1x12", 2x10" and 4x10" renditions from the 80´s to the early 2000´s. there even was a concert-head in the 80´s.

check the link below for more info on the various models.

cheers - C.

Fender Amp Field Guide

Johnny DeVille

'lan'a

It glows in da back, smells good too !
May 6th, 2011 04:31 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi Burst:
I had a 1x12 Concert and dug it for a while. It was before I understood tone tho. I also heard a guy with one of these 4x10s you describe (never heard of a silver 80s model tho) AFTER I understood tone and he had a BFSuper Reverb thing pretty close goin on.

The Gain channel was pretty fizzy on mine vs good Power tube saturation.

A BF or Drip Edge Super Reverb is my next amp purchase. If you could scrape the funds I would go for one of those

Burstbucker

Canada

May 6th, 2011 04:36 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks carsten!

Even though this 4x10 Concert combo that I saw at this pawnshop has silverface cosmetics and has a description on the store's price tag that it's an '81, at that Fender Amp Field Guide site, they don't list a silverface Concert but they do have what they call a Concert II, from the layout of the control knobs, it looks to be the same amp.


Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised that a Super Reverb would be a better amp. I doubt that I'll ever find a good unmolested blackface at a sane price though but you never know.

The early silverface amps are a good bang for the buck and usually can be brought back to the blackface's specs pretty easily and cheaply. If I ever spot one of those at a good price I might jump on it.

Thanks!

(This message was last edited by Burstbucker at 04:41 AM, May 6th, 2011)

carsten

on the rhine

May 7th, 2011 02:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

hi burstbucker!

one thing to add - i think one reason for the concerts not being very popular these days is their immense WEIGHT.
even the 1x12" concert from the 80´s weighs in at 57 lbs.
i don´t even want to know how heavy the pro-tube 4x10" was ;)

cheers - C.

Stratopastor
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Berserkshire

boom dot bust
May 7th, 2011 03:17 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Burstbucker, the "Concert II" is from the Fender Rivera-era, 1982-86. It has eleven knobs on the front not counting switches - no other Concert has eleven. Also its serial number begins F2, F3 or F4. It is a completely different amp to earlier Concerts, and has its fans and detractors.

And just to confuse matters further, its official name is "Concert". The "II" is sensibly added by amp enthusiasts as a nickname to distinguish it from other Concerts and to locate it in its era, as many other amps from that period DO have a "II".

Burstbucker

Canada

May 7th, 2011 05:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well, colour me stupid guys!

I said that it was a silverface but I dropped in there again today and it is in fact the blackface costmetics. Dang! Sorry about the confusion.

I think that I was thinking silverface because when I studied its control knob layout, I noticed that it looked a lot like the way that the knobs on my silverface Twin Reverb look. I thought to myself, hey that looks like my amp but it is indeed a blackface-styled amp.



BbendFender
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Texas

"Hey, hey, don't touch that guitar"
May 9th, 2011 05:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have owned 3 Concerts and I liked them all but sold them. I had two from '61 and one from '64. One of the 61's was brown and one was white tolex. The white tolex amp that I owned is mentioned in some of the Vintage Guitar price guides. I was sold at Webb Music in Calif. I sold the '64 to Ray Wylie Hubbard, if you remember him.

(This message was last edited by BbendFender at 09:30 PM, May 10th, 2011)

centervolume

USA

its only rotten roe, but I like it
May 9th, 2011 08:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I like mine, its a real early 1960, 5 preamp tube circuit. it definitely acts more like a tweed amp than typical brown ones.

I have heard harp through a black one, thought it was pretty cool. Guyger I think was the players name, he was playing with Jimmy Rogers.

D Rogue
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Hollister, CA

Is it supposed to make that sound?
May 9th, 2011 10:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I know one of siddacat's guitar players (Dirk) in the Rogue Suspects plays through what I'm guessing is one of the Concert II's, since it is a head (and only has "Concert" on the faceplate). He is a fantastic guitar player, and his tone is great too!

Dakota Red
Contributing Member

USA west coast

luck is the residue of desire
Jun 1st, 2011 05:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I once simultaneously had 2 Brown Concerts and a '58 Tweed Bassman. The Brown Concert is the only circuit that uses the same output transformer as the later Tweed Bassman amps. The Tweed would do things the Concerts wouldn't but it was quite possible to get the three to sound very similar just by adjusting the tone controls. All 3 long gone; great sound, but a back-breaker to lug.

brawler

USA

Jun 2nd, 2011 06:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a '60 brown Concert (September mfg month). It is a transitional circuit, not quite a 6G12 nor a 6G12-A. It does have the 6 tube pre-amp so the tremolo is the -A type. It sounds like no other amp I have ever played or owned. It's got a great clean tone with exceptional note definition and seperation.

Want dirty? It's killer dirty when cranked or pushed with a pedal. If you start with a great clean tone, it's pretty easy to get great dirty tones from there. The dirty sound does not turn of harmonic mush either. I still get great note seperation with it even when playing chords containing more than just the root and five.

Like Dakota said though... it's heavy as hell. But if you want this sound it's the price ya pay.

mattpeyton

USA

Jan 27th, 2016 10:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

1964 concert here - my favorite combo. It's been restored and fussed over - but it's basically all original save the speakers. Fantastic amp - like a 'Super' Super - because the reverb circuit on the Super takes away a little 'presence' or liveness. I've got a defeat for the trem and a defeat for the negative feedback wired into the old grounding switch (which has been bypassed for a proper 3 way plug) and both of those are useful as well. Mine also has Copperhead 10s in it - the original speakers were blown and replaced years ago. I love this amp - I use it daily with a King Of Tone and a RV-7 in front. Blues MACHINE.

Lynxtrap

Way Out East

Jan 28th, 2016 01:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That must be a Concert II. It is nothing like the tweed or brownface Concerts, so you can't go by those comparisons. They are nice amps, especially the clean tones and reverb. The drive channel is not that grear, but it can be dialled in to sound decent if you're not looking for tons of overdrive.
There never was a blackface concert, and I personally don't think there is a need to mod it to BF specs since the clean channel gets you pretty close to the BF sound anyway. There are mods to be found online for the drive channel, but I have no experience from any of them.

(This message was last edited by Lynxtrap at 04:06 PM, Jan 28th, 2016)

jazzguy
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Philly, B-3 Capital

don't dream it be it
Jan 28th, 2016 02:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

'Guyger I think was the players name, he was playing with Jimmy Rogers.'

yep, that would be the great harp player Steve Guyger, he uses them almost exclusively






John Peden

U S A, NYC

John Peden
Feb 1st, 2016 09:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

We used a '64 Concert with a 6G-15 outboard reverb unit for the video we made last summer to demonstrate Mike Bloomfield's Tele that he used in '65 with Dylan etc. G. E. Smith really nailed Bloomfield's tone although Bloomfield used several different amps for his recordings and performances during that period. The guitar was modified after Bloomfield swapped it in late '65 to John Nuese of Gram Parson'e International Submarine Band. Full story in October '15 Vintage Guitar. Personally I like all the FEIC Concerts, different tones but perfect for gigging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B4yavD9AEY

(This message was last edited by John Peden at 12:38 PM, Feb 1st, 2016)

carsten

on the rhine

Feb 2nd, 2016 11:07 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey John!

Thanks a lot - that´s great stuff!
And great to see G.E. again!

I was bit late/young for the Butterfield Blues Band, but I certainly heard Highway 61 a thousand times over ;-)

best - C.

guitarcapo

U.S.A.

Feb 2nd, 2016 09:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a pair of Concert II amps. They usually can be had for $600 these days. Thy are LOUD. Lots of features and the last PTP wired amps Fender ever made. One mod I've done is to remove the "snubber caps" It makes them chime like a blackface Fender.
They have effects loops, two switchable channels, and lots of tone shaping features like a mid-boost, treble boost, presence control, gain and master volume control. Great tube driven reverb. There are a few mod kits out there to make them high gain but I like mine the way they are. They make nice bass amps as well at 60 watts.

Silverface

Redondo Beach CA

No Chops but Great Tone
Feb 11th, 2016 07:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Concert II's can be decent amps with a little work. Lower-gain preamp tubes, hotter biasing, tweaking negative feedback, power tube substitutions etc. They'll never sound like the brownies, which are completely different (IMO the '62/63 brown Concerts have the best Fender clean tone, ever).

If you can get one cheap enough it can be a good experimentation platform.

Chris Greene
FDP Host

Idaho, USA

There's no money like old money
Feb 13th, 2016 01:31 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have an original '60-61 Concert I bought from a local electronics repair shop 12-13 years ago. It belonged to a local musician that was consigning it there. All original and cost me $400.

Below is a link to lotsa photos.

1060-61 Fender Concert

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