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FDP Forum / Tin Pan Alley - Songwriting / Copyright protection.

shunka
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Willoughby, OH , USA

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Jan 31st, 2011 12:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

In another post ther are complaints about the length of time that it takes to get a stamped copyright registration back from the government. 2 years plus.
Is there any other way to protect yourself. What if you performed the song on the air and had an air check tape? What a bout Youtube? Wouldn't that prove that you were performing a song that you claimed to compose on our before the date of the Youtube video?

kve

Crozet, VA

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Jan 31st, 2011 05:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

pssst -- you really don't have much protection. Unless someone big, big, big copies your song, what lawyer would mess with it? There is just no money in it.

You can register your copyrights electronically -- that's gotta be faster. Registration is required if you do want to sue and if you register ahead of time, you will be able to collect for legal expenses (if you collect a cent). I see nothing wrong with registering a copyright for a bunch of songs in a collection for just $35 (or $45?), though.

I'll probably register my 2011 RPM CD electronically just to see how it works.

Kevin

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Feb 4th, 2011 01:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"What if you performed the song on the air and had an air check tape? What a bout Youtube? Wouldn't that prove that you were performing a song that you claimed to compose on our before the date of the Youtube video?"

Yes to all of the above. UNLESS the person who stole your song has a recording of it dated earlier. The best way, besides the actual official copyright, is to put it in electronic form as soon as it's written. Then you have a time stamp on the file itself. Once it is in a "fixed" format (even written on a napkin), it is recognized as copyrighted.

gdw3
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Feb 4th, 2011 01:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Registration is required if you do want to sue"

It's not required, but recommended.

kve

Crozet, VA

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Feb 5th, 2011 08:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Registration is required if you do want to sue" -- It's not required, but recommended.

No, I don't think you can file for copyright infringement in the US without having registration. Therefore, to sue without registration, you would have to register, pay the expediting fee (500?) and then file the lawsuit

I don't know how accurate this is

(This message was last edited by kve at 08:59 AM, Feb 5th, 2011)

fendrguitplayr
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Feb 11th, 2011 11:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I suppose with a creative commons and with the song listed as a copyright...

10 myths about copyright explained

shunka
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Feb 18th, 2011 12:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

wHAT IF YOU HAVE CPA witnss the work and put their seal on it.

ECS-3
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Mar 26th, 2011 04:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

From the US Copyright office:

"Registration is recommended for a number of reasons. Many choose to register their works because they wish to have the facts of their copyright on the public record and have a certificate of registration. Registered works may be eligible for statutory damages and attorney's fees in successful litigation. Finally, if registration occurs within 5 years of publication, it is considered prima facie evidence in a court of law. "

So if you want full protection do the right thing and register your work.

Start here

ECS-3
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Mar 26th, 2011 04:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Also note this passage in the STart Here link I provided.

"A copyright registration is effective on the date the Copyright
Office receives all required elements in acceptable form,
regardless of how long it takes to process the application and
mail the certificate of registration."

So it does not matter how long it takes the Copyright Office to process your application. What matters is when you submit all the required elements to the Copyright office.

(This message was last edited by ECS-3 at 04:48 AM, Mar 26th, 2011)

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Mar 26th, 2011 04:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

All of your questions can probably be answered on copyright.gov.

I have registered the copyright on two of my late son's CDs, using the electronic approach. The one I did in July of 2009 was completed by April of 2010. I submitted another in December of 2010 and I am still waiting for the certificate on that one.

According to the publisher who is helping us promote our son's music, less than 2% of all songs written ever become commercially viable. With the chances of big returns being that small, publishers are being extra-cautious these days about making sure of the authorship of works.

In short, I'd say just go ahead and initiate your copyright registration and then start promoting your work. Electronic submissions are completed a lot faster than snail-mailed submissions, from what I've heard.

Edited to add: it looks like ECS-3 and I were posting at about the same time!

(This message was last edited by Thommie at 04:53 AM, Mar 26th, 2011)

durph

USA/Michigan

May 7th, 2011 06:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I copyright every song I think is important (It's $35 for a song or a group of songs). I first mail a CD to myself until the work can be registered online. This may sound like paranoia but with my luck I would write something that's good enough for a hit and then it gets stolen. It's also a peice of mind knowing that your songs are protected.

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