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SMark
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"Life is good when you love your tone."
Feb 18th, 2011 05:11 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ed...

Sorry I fell asleep on this thread. The only difference in my set is with regard to the bridge pickup. Aaron wound my bridge pickup to 6.3k. So it's not a significant difference, but enough to be heard. Like you say, it's more of a balance issue than a tone issue.

And again, thanx for the kind words.

otisian

vancouver

One guitar Otis (but it has 10 settings)
Feb 19th, 2011 07:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

i almost ALWAYS am in the first ir "bridge" position...overdriven...the only changes i make is when i want somethickening up and engage the S-1 switch...which is bridge and middle....but in series NOT in paralell like in the traditional 2nd /quack position of a strat...i find the hot SCN bridge pup on my am dlx strat...sounds great on it's own...esp. with my amps mid boost...recently i raised it a bunch and now with the S-1 it sound really good...thicker but still very biting...no mud.

So i'm one of the few who like the SCN's mostly dirty...however the neck pup clean sounds very very "Stratty" as do the in between positions...


p.s. i also have it setup so when in series (S-1), i can get a great bridge mini bucker tone...and switch to neck (neck and middle in series) mini bucker tone...so it's different but similar to a double bucker setup....yet still have the classic 5 strat tones....

Im off topic AGAIN...but yeah i prefer the Strats Bridge pup alone 40% of the time and in series (s-1) with the middle 40% of the time.

Alot people seem to dismiss them...but when setup right and yur amp is tweaked...the SCN (esp. bridge dirty) pups can sound pretty cool...not vintage but definately very much like a strat (when in normal mode).

74 special
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USA southeast mitten

Great gear, marginal talent!
Feb 20th, 2011 07:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Mark,

Thanks for sharing your modification for your Gypsy set!

I did reach out to Aaron about purchasing a set of his pickups. I really like a full/warm strat tone, think Blue Jean Blues from ZZ top, as a reference.

So I look forward to his recomendations for a set that might get me in that ball park. I'm thinking maybe the pre-CBS set wound hot? Not sure though.

Anyway thanks again for insight and wisdom on my pickup troubles.

Ed

74 special
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USA southeast mitten

Great gear, marginal talent!
Feb 26th, 2011 03:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hopefully my pickup woes will be finally resolved.
I contacted Aaron from Rumplestiltskin pickups and based on what I was looking for and his insight I ended up choosing his Experience set wound with plain enamel wire and he is going to wind the bridge to approximately 7k for a good match in volume and tone.

I am in Que to be wound, and I am much looking forward to installing the set and checking them out.

As everyone has pointed out, Aaron was very helpful and quick with advise and a pleasure to deal with.

Thanks to all for pointing me in the right direction.

Ed

SMark
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Feb 26th, 2011 09:24 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm betting that you're gonna LOVE your Rumpels...

Tone-Analyst

Switzerland

Feb 28th, 2011 11:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I seem to read this exact sentense everywhere:
"...Rumplestiltskin pups that Aaron wound especially for me.."

Anyway, the FAT 50's are a true vintage sound, definitely not for distortion. Pickup of choice to play clean stuff through a blackface Fender amp with fresh strings. Not everyone is attentive to quality vintage sound, if you just want a big output you can bolt a Seymour Duncan Invader in there.

74 special
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USA southeast mitten

Great gear, marginal talent!
Feb 28th, 2011 04:24 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Tone-Analyst,

My only real issue with the Fat 50's pickups as I mentioned is that the bridge pickup, on the set that came installed on my guitar, was very weak and thin sounding as compared to the middle and neck. I could not dial in a tone on any amp I own that would allow me to switch between pickups without drastic changes in volume and clarity.

My original post asked if this was typical/normal for these pickups.

For the record I am not looking for a high gain compatible pickup, just a set that delivers usuable tone and volume balance across all three pickups positions.

As far as them being a "true vintage sound" I can only guess that by name alone "Fat 50's" it would imply they have been altered from a stock wind to acheive some different or enhanced tone. So I personally would not consider them vintage.

Having already tried a set of GFS premium alnico's and a set of Texas specials I had laying around I was not happy with those in this guitar. Having Aaron wind a set based on what I asked for seems like a very logical choice.

The experience set I ordered are essentially stock with the exception of winding the bridge for output to balance with the middle and neck. I am fully expecting these should sound very natural and strat like both clean and with O.D.

Like many of us here, I am just trying to find the tone that I hear in my head from my guitar and quite frankly I couldn't care less if its "true vintage" or not. Good usable tone is good usable tone period.

Ed




ConchoBill
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Bluz Cowboy
Feb 28th, 2011 08:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think a lot of us don't really want a true vintage Strat pickup, unless we want to play really sweet, Chris Isaak sort of stuff. We want something a little hotter. Actually you can get some really sweet sounds out of mildly hot pickups, but the sweetest will come out of those, kinda weak, vintage type pickups. I think that is really what the stock pickups in the American Standards are. They are probably a little weaker than Fat 50s.

Laundromat

Finland

Feb 28th, 2011 08:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've always felt they had fat in the wrong place, plus with a skimmed bridge pickup.

74 special
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USA southeast mitten

Great gear, marginal talent!
Mar 16th, 2011 06:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well I received my Rumpelstiltskin Experience set and installed them into my 61 Thinskin Strat.

Wow! I couldn't be more happy with these pickups!

They have just the right amount of low end thump and the perfect top end, very clear and sweet sounding Without being harsh. they have just the right amount of girth in the mids. they are wound on the hot side but don't lose that classic Strat tone.

I had the bridge wound to about 7k and honestly its just about a perfect match to neck and middle.

thanks to Smark for recommending the Rumpelstiltskin pickups, and of course a big thanks to Aaron for winding these amazing pickups. I'm finally happy with this guitar on all levels.

Ed


MikeEC
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Lunacy has found me
Mar 23rd, 2015 03:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm contemplating a change in the exact 61 Thin Skin Strat...from Fat 50's to a Gypsy set.


Viera
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Mar 23rd, 2015 04:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

MikeEC - good research job finding and bringing back this thread. :-)

To quote the OP: "Kind of bass boomy and bright at the same time, they seem kinda heavy mid-scooped but okay."

My experience also. They seemed like CS 69s' on steroids, and not in a good way. They do what they do really well, I guess. To me they were too much of a one trick pony. I can do a lot more on a Strat, and really any electric guitar, with pups that more emphasize the mids.

MikeEC
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Mpls, Minnesoooota

Lunacy has found me
Mar 23rd, 2015 07:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes, I dug up an old thread. However, I'm in the same boat. I don't like the bridge pickups on Strats. I've been thinking about Rumplestiltskin pickups off and on for several years but I've been reluctant to jump in for several reasons. My Strats are all stock. I'm not a tinkerer and don't know how to wire guitars or change pickups. I'm a hobby player that only plays at home and don't plug in very often so buying new pickups isn't the highest priority for me.

I've read many Rumple-love threads and found this thread today. Since i have the exact same guitar as the OP, I decided to comment so i could find it easily.

I've had email discussions with Aaron discussing what I might want so I'm getting close to jumping in.

rfrakes331K
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Mar 23rd, 2015 08:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just woke up after 20years and my rumples were still there. Thanks Aaron!

stratcowboy
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Mar 23rd, 2015 09:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I agree, Aaron makes good pups. I also still very much like my Fralins. My best guitar has Fralin Vintage Hots in all positions. My other Strat has Fralin Vintage Hots in neck and middle positions with a Fralin Blues Special at the bridge.

I'm another one of the weirdos who really likes using the bridge-only pickup position. I use it alot when we play shows. The only position I don't use much (anymore) is the middle-neck combination. Not that it's bad, it just doesn't seem to match the songs we play. However, I use all the other positions of the 5-way regularly. Love the neck by itself, the middle by itself, the bridge-middle, and certainly the bridge by itself. Love the variety.

74 special
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USA southeast mitten

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Mar 28th, 2015 02:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

MikeEC I still have the 61 Wildwood Strat. I've since restored it to stock with the original Fat 50's. Long story short is during the several year period of the experience set in the 61, I installed the Fat 50's in a partscaster and they sounded really nice in all positions. Not sure if maybe I had a poor solder joint originally with the bridge pickup, but they sound really nice in the 61 now.

I installed the experience set into the partscaster wired up Eric Johnson style and they sound even better than in the 61. Go Figure!

Either way it's a win-win for me tone wise.

Good luck on you're decision and you certainly won't go wrong with rumpelstiltskin's

Ed

MikeEC
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Mar 28th, 2015 06:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The truth is I have Fat 50's in two guitars so I'm wanting to experiment with something different in one of them.

:-)

archiestone
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El Californio

Apr 29th, 2015 08:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Without hijacking this thread (please) may I ask someone to compare & contrast what they think of Fat 50s vs 57/62s?

Modal Magic
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May 3rd, 2015 01:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey archiestone I have Strat with Fat '50s and one with 57/62s. When I get a chance I'll do a comparison as best I can buy I'm not that good at describing tone. I did compare a while ago and decided they are just as good as each other in their own way but have forgotten the sonic details.

Edit: I'll start a seperate thread.

(This message was last edited by Modal Magic at 03:39 AM, May 3rd, 2015)

archiestone

El Californio

May 3rd, 2015 10:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks MM. In retrospect, starting a new thread is what I should have done. I eagerly await your review.

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