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74 special
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USA southeast mitten

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Jan 19th, 2011 07:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I recently purchased a Wildwood thin skin 61 Strat, which came equipped with the custom shop Fat 50's pickups and I found the neck and middle sound okay. Kind of bass boomy and bright at the same time, they seem kinda heavy mid-scooped but okay.

the problem is that the bridge pickup is useless. It is as thin and piercing as could possibly be. I also find the volume drops off quite a bit compared to the neck and middle. I can't seem to balance them no matter how I adjust the pickup hieghts.

Anyone out there have any experience with these?
I'm afraid if the bridge tone is typical with these, they will find the bottom of a trash can real soon.

Thank's
Ed

ConchoBill
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Bluz Cowboy
Jan 19th, 2011 07:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I exchanged them in my FrankenStrat for some Rumplestiltskin pups that Aaron wound especially for me, and much prefer Aaron's pickups.

74 special
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Jan 19th, 2011 08:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Concho, did you find the bridge pickup to be weak compared to the neck and middle. Like your playing a different guitar almost?

SMark
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Jan 19th, 2011 09:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ed...

Check out the thread linked below from 2004. There are a couple of us there that kind of agree with you on the Fat 50s bridge pickup...

Fat 50s...

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Jan 20th, 2011 11:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I did like the Fat 50s pretty well, but the Rumples beat em to death. The more you play em the more you like em. They are very nicely done vintage style pickups.

I rarely use the bridge pickup (sorry Aaron), and can't remember much about the one on the Fat 50s. It's been awhile.

lost56

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Jan 20th, 2011 12:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I like the Fat 50s very much in all switch positions, especially positions 2 & 4.
Sustain for days on the bridge pickup which to me sounds as a 'beefed up' vintage single coil pickup.
.....must be a good one! You'll need some time to find the sweet spots for these pickups.

(This message was last edited by lost56 at 12:50 PM, Jan 20th, 2011)

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Jan 20th, 2011 03:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

lost, I'm glad you do; I think they are pretty good pups. It's just that we've been spoiled by all of these good pickup makers. I have 2 Strats with Rio Grande pickups in them, one Strat with Rumplestiltskin pups and one Strat, a Fender Powerhouse, has active electronics very much like an EC Strat and it has basically Am. Fender Strat pups in it with a dummy coil. To me all of these guitars have a sound better than you will get from Fat 50s.

74 special
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Jan 20th, 2011 04:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

SMark, thanks for the link to your thread, very informative. I think the neck and middle sound okay, but I am bridge pickup guy! It has to sound full and work well with the others or I have no use for it. As far as adjusting for volume I have the bridge at 4/64 treble and 5/64 bass and the neck and middle decked to the pickguard and still the volume will not balance. Maybe it is a "bad" pickup, or just how their wound.

Not sure they are gonna make it much longer.

Now the search for replacments commences, any thoughts for a good set for rock and blues? I have a set of GFS premium alnico (the I27 set) in another strat I own and they sound very nice to me but I need to find something else that is similar in tone.

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Jan 20th, 2011 08:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Try the GFS I28's or the I36's if you're looking for a hot blues or rock strat sound.

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Jan 20th, 2011 10:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ed...

I am also a bridge pickup player, which puts the the two of us in a minority amongst Strat players. I will use all 5 positions, but I clearly use the bridge pickup more than 50% of the time and I use the neck pickup about 40% of the time. That leaves the other 3 positions fighting it out for my remaining 10%. So I am always looking for great Strat bridge pickups.

Amongt vintage wound sets of pickups I find my Rumpelstiltskin modified Gypsy set to be without equal. And the bridge pickup is really a thing of beauty. Check out my video below. Aaron wound the bridge pickup to 6.3k and I'd say it's perfect.

I also love my Hot Gold Lace Sensors. Sweet in every position, but the (6k) bridge pickup is particularly nice when really overdriven.

Rumpel Gypsy Strat set demo... (Live)

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Jan 21st, 2011 06:24 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think my set of Rumples are a little hotter set like SMark's. Aaron is really good at pup winding. The problem with that guitar is that the nut slots (1 or 2) on it aren't exactly cut right.

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Jan 21st, 2011 01:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Put a Duncan SSL-5 (the David Gilmour pickup) in the bridge and you'll be very happy.

74 special
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Jan 21st, 2011 03:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

SMark, wow amazing playing and stellar tone! The bridge tone in that video clip sounds very nice and balanced to the other pickups.

On your post you describe the set as "modified" were they spec'ed differently from the normal gypsy wind? if so, in what way? If you don't mind sharing.

And thanks to all for the advice and pickup recomendations.

Ed


rfrakes331K

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Feb 2nd, 2011 01:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I wish my fingers worked that good!

perky

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Feb 18th, 2011 03:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just loved the Texas Specials in my Strat- and I use the bridge pup more than I ever used to do on a Strat

(This message was last edited by perky at 03:20 AM, Feb 18th, 2011)

SMark
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Feb 18th, 2011 05:11 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ed...

Sorry I fell asleep on this thread. The only difference in my set is with regard to the bridge pickup. Aaron wound my bridge pickup to 6.3k. So it's not a significant difference, but enough to be heard. Like you say, it's more of a balance issue than a tone issue.

And again, thanx for the kind words.

otisian

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Feb 19th, 2011 07:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

i almost ALWAYS am in the first ir "bridge" position...overdriven...the only changes i make is when i want somethickening up and engage the S-1 switch...which is bridge and middle....but in series NOT in paralell like in the traditional 2nd /quack position of a strat...i find the hot SCN bridge pup on my am dlx strat...sounds great on it's own...esp. with my amps mid boost...recently i raised it a bunch and now with the S-1 it sound really good...thicker but still very biting...no mud.

So i'm one of the few who like the SCN's mostly dirty...however the neck pup clean sounds very very "Stratty" as do the in between positions...


p.s. i also have it setup so when in series (S-1), i can get a great bridge mini bucker tone...and switch to neck (neck and middle in series) mini bucker tone...so it's different but similar to a double bucker setup....yet still have the classic 5 strat tones....

Im off topic AGAIN...but yeah i prefer the Strats Bridge pup alone 40% of the time and in series (s-1) with the middle 40% of the time.

Alot people seem to dismiss them...but when setup right and yur amp is tweaked...the SCN (esp. bridge dirty) pups can sound pretty cool...not vintage but definately very much like a strat (when in normal mode).

74 special
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Feb 20th, 2011 07:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Mark,

Thanks for sharing your modification for your Gypsy set!

I did reach out to Aaron about purchasing a set of his pickups. I really like a full/warm strat tone, think Blue Jean Blues from ZZ top, as a reference.

So I look forward to his recomendations for a set that might get me in that ball park. I'm thinking maybe the pre-CBS set wound hot? Not sure though.

Anyway thanks again for insight and wisdom on my pickup troubles.

Ed

74 special
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Feb 26th, 2011 03:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hopefully my pickup woes will be finally resolved.
I contacted Aaron from Rumplestiltskin pickups and based on what I was looking for and his insight I ended up choosing his Experience set wound with plain enamel wire and he is going to wind the bridge to approximately 7k for a good match in volume and tone.

I am in Que to be wound, and I am much looking forward to installing the set and checking them out.

As everyone has pointed out, Aaron was very helpful and quick with advise and a pleasure to deal with.

Thanks to all for pointing me in the right direction.

Ed

SMark
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Feb 26th, 2011 09:24 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm betting that you're gonna LOVE your Rumpels...

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