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FDP Forum / Sing, Sing, Sing! - Vocalist's Forum / Ho do you bounce back from a crappy performance?

Hcochoa
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Mar 8th, 2010 08:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I went to an open jam last might.

I was just there for fun and ended up barely playing guitar.

It is mainly a country place which I don't really play.

Also, I was filling in on bass as they had no bass player.

Anyway, I was asked if there are any songs that I can sing.

I picked CCR's Lodi. Which I feel I really sing well in my modest opinion.

Anyway, I don't want to use the PA as a scape goat but I really couldn't hear myself and was just not used to the PA mix as I am in the rehearsal room.

Anyway, I totally bombed. I knew I did the second I started singing but I just couldn't pull out of it.

I know I can sing better than that but I just didn't. I dont know why.

Maybe I should hang it up.


"Hey Hugh, why dont you go stand by the window when you sing. So we can help you out."



Tuco
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Mar 8th, 2010 11:41 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Practice. Try again.


Stage volume has a huge impact on how I sing. If I can hear myself I can sing well. If everything is equally loud onstage it's tougher, if I can't hear me at all, I near impossible.

Also, all the cues that you hear in a recorded version change or disappear onstage. Instruments at different levels, instruments on the recording that aren't even in your band, all kinds of reasons it gets harder to sing with a live band.

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Mar 8th, 2010 09:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

i've been there ... it's good to be your own worst critic, but don't beat yourself up !!! unless you got booed off the stage, and followed home by townspeople carrying torches, you did great !!!

larryguitar19

united states

larryguitar
Mar 17th, 2010 11:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I wouldn't let that get you down. We tend to be critical of ourselves. It takes a certain amount of courage and commitement to get up on stage and lay it on the line. It's not so easy. Those of us who perform know that.

The average civilian out there in the audience couldn't carry a note if their life depended upon it.

fendrguitplayr
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Mar 17th, 2010 04:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

When the soundboard/system is "off" from what you're used to, that could be the problem.



6G6

Texas

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Mar 18th, 2010 05:06 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you can't hear yourself, anything that sounds right is pure coincidence.

We played a place recently that has a house PA.
OK, great, I thought.
Tons of stuff, half of it dead, with no monitors and the mains way out front.
I hated the whole night.

Chikpicker
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Mar 18th, 2010 05:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It might have sounded like crap on stage,but it might have been just fine in the room...you never know cause you wern't sitting at a table listening to yourself.

joanna collins

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Mar 18th, 2010 05:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I had a voice teacher who wanted me to focus on how it FEELS when I'm singing properly--full diaphragm, open throat, focus of energy on the "mask" of the face, etc. His reason was to give me other biofeedback than through my ears, so I could sing well even if I couldn't hear myself well. This was classical singing, but I'm thinking it could work in other styles, too. Pitch might still be an issue, though you might be able to hone in on the pitch in your head, if that makes any sense.

Caveat: I'm a casual and not pro singer, so I haven't been in a position to use this advice very often. I'm just passing on what seems to make sense.

basilwhite
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Mar 18th, 2010 05:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Serenity prayer. What did you do that you'd like to do differently, what can you do TODAY to help you do that in the future, then do those things TODAY.

You can take care of tomorrow tomorrow.

Grant me the serenity to accept the gigs I cannot change, the courage to change the gigs I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

Basil

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balzakjeff
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Mar 28th, 2010 08:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hugh,

When you can't hear yourself it is a challenge. I've not done the gig thing, but I've done several OM's with no monitors. I need all the help I can get and listening to mu voice bouncing off the back wall doesn't cut it. I've resorted to turning one of the PA speakers in to the stage so I could hear myself.

I spend lots of time around theatre people and I'm generally amazed at their ability to find pitches. But I'm guessing even they would struggle on the loud stage with no monitors.

Jeff

Hcochoa
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Apr 11th, 2010 01:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks guys

steze
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Apr 15th, 2010 09:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Tiller2 is correct. I'd re-read the first paragraph of his post. If you know what good singing feels like, you can sing in any situation. I suspect that if you thought you could sing the song well but bombed, you probably can't sing it as well as you think.

berndog

Canada

Apr 26th, 2010 10:26 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"We tend to be critical of ourselves. It takes a certain amount of courage and commitement to get up on stage and lay it on the line. It's not so easy. Those of us who perform know that.

The average civilian out there in the audience couldn't carry a note if their life depended upon it."

Bingo I'm my own worst critic. We had a performance on the weekend where the main singer lost his voice about 7 songs in. I stepped up and sang more than my normal share as I tend to do mostly backing vocals.

He adjusted his singing style and we fought through. The band was bummed out thinking we sucked. I had recorded the whole thing and when we listed to it we where shocked, it was fine, different then what we expected but fine.

Record yourself out in the audience and listen to it. Great tool and it is honest.

The thing I found most interesting was all the mistakes that you hear on stage are very hard to pickup in the recording unless it was a real BOMB.



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